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It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the

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53:46

Connection Is The Best Medicine: with Dr. Rana Awdish

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2024/02/26

Ever wonder what doctors say about their patients when they think no one can hear?Dr. Rana Awdish doesn’t have to wonder - as a patient, she overheard a lot of distressing things. Her experience led her to change how medical providers speak about - and to - their patients, spreading compassion through communication (which we know is a mission dear to my heart). Listen in to hear Dr. Awdish’s take on the pressure on healthcare workers, too. Content note: mention of life-threatening illness,

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Do I Stay Or Do I Go? Caregivers Under Stress; with...

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2024/02/19

It’s no secret that healthcare professionals and caregivers of all kinds are stretched beyond their limits. We can’t look to healthcare systems themselves to give us the care and attention we need, so where CAN we go for support (and answers)? Don’t miss this week’s episode with guests Koshin Paley Ellison and Chodo Robert Campbell of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care. In this episode we cover: Why it’s important to look beyond the identified patient to the invisible web of

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Is There Enough Love to Go Around?

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2024/02/12

The world can feel like such a lonely place sometimes. You ever feel like there’s not enough love and support to go around? Like, there’s a severe shortage of compassion in the world, both for you and well, everyone? Me too, friends. To get us into this topic, this week on It’s OK, we cover grief comparisons, like whether divorce and death should be compared, or if the death of anyone should be compared to the loss of a pet. Of course the short answer is no: grief comparisons are never useful. For

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Tembi Locke: From Scratch

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2024/02/05

Tembi Locke lived an amazing love story: she met a handsome chef during a study abroad year in Italy when she was just 20 years old. They moved to LA to pursue Tembi’s acting career, and built a life around their love of food, family, and each other. And then leiomyosarcoma arrived. Is it still a Hollywood love story if it doesn’t have a happy ending? In this episode we cover: Who’s the real couple behind the hit Netflix series, From Scratch? Why Tembi made sure From Scratch was an honest

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47:51

Why Do We Celebrate Trauma (aka: resilience)? with...

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2024/01/29

Did anyone teach you that understanding your grief is the key to being (or becoming) a healthy human being? Probably not. In this expansive episode, Megan speaks with world-renowned author and physician Gabor Maté about the role of trauma and grief in our personal lives and in society at large. Dr. Gabor Maté on grief, this week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK. In this episode we cover: What is “personal agency” and why does losing personal agency create disease? Why calling grief a disorder

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60:58

Collective Grief and Communal Joy: with Baratunde...

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2024/01/22

Can you heal pain by focusing on joy? Baratunde Thurston gave what’s been called “the greatest TED talk of all time.” He’s written about being Black in America, he’s got a podcast about community involvement called How to Citizen, and he’s got a PBS television show that explores the beauty and diversity of America. There’s a duality running through all of this work, and in Baratunde’s personal life: mourning and celebration. From the early death of a parent, to men’s emotional health, to violence

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The Full Experience: Fitness, Love, Death & Community...

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2024/01/15

Have you ever wanted to just SMASH things? Leanne Pedante and her husband Miles’ relationship was built on bravery and communication - they worked so hard to reach the next step together, excited to explore the edges of possibility in love and in life. On his way back to see Leanne after several months away, Miles’ car veered off the road, and he was killed. In the just under three years since, Leanne has continued to grow the virtual reality fitness community, Supernatural. As a late-comer to

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Holiday Debrief: Ghosting Therapists, New Year’s...

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2024/01/08

The holidays are over - you made it. By the looks of our inbox, the season wasn’t easy. This week, a holiday debrief, including bad behavior from therapists, why religion is not the answer to grief, and some true facts about dating after loss. In this episode we cover: How to say “I can’t work with you” without accidentally shaming your patients or clients Why “but your (dead relative) is all around you, just in a new form!” maybe isn’t the most supportive thing to say Questions to ask

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New Year’s Resolutions vs “aggressive futurism” with...

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2024/01/01

Is acceptance overrated? What happens when you have to face a new year without your person in it (or without the health you used to have!)? In this special two-part episode, we face the new year together - with special guest, historian, author, and queen of awkward conversations, Kate Bowler. In part 2 of this episode we cover How do you have hope for the year to come when right now maybe isn’t so great? Acceptance, moving forward, and ferocious self-advocacy The Math of Suffering: this

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New Year, Same Grief (and the Math of Suffering) with...

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2023/12/25

Is acceptance overrated? What happens when you have to face a new year without your person in it (or without the health you used to have!)? In this special two-part episode, we face the new year together - with special guest, historian, author, and queen of awkward conversations, Kate Bowler. In this episode we cover: How do you have hope for the year to come when right now maybe isn’t so great? Acceptance, moving forward, and ferocious self-advocacy The Math of Suffering: this year, last

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A Christmas Eve Tradition

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2023/12/23

My dad used to read ‘‘Twas the Night Before Christmas” every Christmas Eve when I was a kid, after dinner and before we opened our Christmas pjs. So many of you are missing your dads, or grandparents, or the father of your kids. This year, I asked my dad to record the Christmas Eve classic for the show. I wanted you to have a stand-in grandpa, in case you were missing one of your own. From my family to yours, may you have the best holiday season available to you. (‘Twas the Night Before

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25:43

Your Holiday Survival Guide: Family Dynamics Edition

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2023/12/18

The holiday season is sometimes joyful, sometimes stressful - and to be honest, it’s usually a mix of both. Between external pressures and family dynamics, we figure everyone can use some tips on making it through the season. In this episode we cover: How to bring up your loved one’s absence when no one else will Making a good enough holiday for your family when you’re not in the holiday spirit Tips for navigating intrusive personal questions (like “when will you have kids?” or “don’t you

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adrienne maree brown: Can We Give Ourselves...

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2023/12/11

What if there’s nothing to fix? What if you could just, you know, be yourself - whatever that looks like today? When I told people that this week’s guest was none other than adrienne maree brown - the excitement level was off the charts. adrienne maree brown is the author of Emergent Strategy and Pleasure Activism, among other works, and she’s instrumental in opening conversations about bodies, power, grief, and change (personal and collective). This week, it’s all grief - and it’s all love. There

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63:50

Living with Chronic Illness: A Conversation For...

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2023/12/04

Look, there are some things in life - a LOT of things in life - that just can’t be fixed or made better, you have to figure out how you’re going to live with them. Sarah Ramey spent DECADES trying to find answers for why her body was falling apart. Her book, The Lady’s Handbook for Her Mysterious Illness, describes the complex, convoluted path through conventional and alternative medicines, her frustrations with being deemed a liar and hypochondriac, and the overlapping issues of misogyny,

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What Happens to Childhood Grief When You Grow Up?...

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2023/11/27

Our early childhood experiences of grief - and how our family systems dealt with loss - have a huge impact on our adult behaviors and relationships. This week, author Allyson Dinneen (@notesfromyourtherapist) joins me to discuss generational grief stories, and your number one most asked question: how does a grieving therapist (or another healthcare provider) go back to work? We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. Looking for a creative exploration of

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Gun Violence, Graphic Imagery & The Washington Post;...

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2023/11/22

Recently The Washington Post released graphic images, videos, and audio recordings from mass shootings, in a report called “Terror on Repeat.” Should news outlets attempt to push awareness through the use of graphic imagery? If so, do survivor families have the right to refuse to let photos of their friends or family members be released? The answer, of course, is complicated. Complexity and nuance can be hard to find in the news and social media. Like so many things, the real answer comes down to

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Sometimes Loss Is Freedom: A Conversation with...

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2023/11/20

What if you were just about to get divorced, but your partner gets sick? Like really sick? Rebecca Woolf was just about to leave an unhappy marriage when her husband got sick and died. What followed was a crash course in performative grief, and the dismantling of one life in order to build the next. This week on It’s OK, we cover love, sex, marriage, divorce, grief, shame, assumptions (both internal and external), and personal agency - it’s QUITE the conversation. Sensitivity note: this

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25:41

Is It Time to Retire the Stages of Grief? (Spoiler: Yes)

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2023/11/13

Everybody knows the stages of grief. Even if you didn’t go to grad school, I bet you can rattle them off. Thing is - those stages don’t help anyone: not the pros trying to support patients or clients, not the person trying to survive an impossible situation. Tune in for the inside scoop on the stages of grief and what we should be doing instead, with a special shout-out to the tv shows getting grief right. In this episode we cover: Where the stages of grief came from, and why their creator

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51:40

Can We Make This Place Beautiful? with Maggie Smith

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2023/11/06

How do we live in a world that’s at least half terrible, and that is a conservative estimate?If you recognize that line, you already know Maggie Smith. This week on the show, we’re talking about writing, marriage, divorce, and why you didn’t need whatever happened to you in order to become who you’re meant to be: as Maggie says, “trauma does not give you a “glow up.”” If you’ve ever wanted to write the story of your life - including the messy, difficult parts like divorce, miscarriage, and the

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59:29

Wonder In an Age of Violence: Valarie Kaur & See No...

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2023/10/30

“Wonder is the root of love, the lack of wonder is the root of violence.” Valarie Kaur is no stranger to violence. As a Sikh, as a woman, as a person of color, violence has shaped both her activism and her deep sense of community care. Her Revolutionary Love Project is the blueprint for organizers, activists, and really - anyone in love with the world and what it could be. This week, the activist, and best-selling author of See No Stranger joins me to talk about love, action, and the power of

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