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It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the

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Introducing: Heavyweight

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2025/09/29

Hi, t's Ok That You're Not Ok listeners! We're excited to share with you a sneak peek at iHeartPodcasts' latest release, Heavyweight! Heavyweight: Maybe you’ve laid awake and imagined how it could have been, how it might yet be, but the moment to act was never right. Well, the moment is here and the podcast making it happen is Heavyweight. Join Jonathan Goldstein for road trips, thorny reunions, and difficult conversations as he backpedals his way into the past like a therapist with a time

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Protecting Your Mental Health in the Healthcare...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2024/07/01

We know that healthcare workers are burned out and exhausted. Provider mental health is a huge issue… but are the institutions listening? This week on It’s OK, burnout expert Dr. Jessi Gold talks to us about (obviously) burnout, but also ways HCW* can start to change the workplace culture into one that actually values the human workforce. Sound unlikely? Listen in for Dr. Gold’s ideas for a grassroots movement - using the language of capitalism to get the c-suite to listen. *We talk a bunch about

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Over and Over Again: Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch on the...

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2024/06/24

The world is such a hot mess: every day a new disaster, a new human rights catastrophe. It can just feel… endless. Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch joins us to talk about outrage and trauma and community building - it’s like the greatest hits of modern culture. But mostly, she joins us to talk about art - specifically, the ways that storytelling helps us band together and work towards the world we all want. PS: Listen all the way through so you don’t miss Aubrey’s slightly sinister but ultimately

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Untangled: Suffering & The 8-Fold Path with Koshin...

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2024/06/17

If you look at social media with its reliance on meme-based psychology, you’d think that the Buddhist approach to life is to not let things get to you - that the true spiritual path helps you rise above such limited, unenlightened human feelings like grief, greed, and resentment. This week on It’s OK, Zen teacher Koshin Paley Ellison is here to tell you that your suffering deserves your attention. In this episode we cover: - How an experience of targeted violence shaped Koshin’s childhood,

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Other People Have It Worse: Veteran Jason Kander on...

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2024/06/10

On the outside, veteran Jason Kander had everything going for him: successful political career, lovely family, the respect of his peers. But on the inside, he was struggling: nightmares, depression and suicidal thoughts were constant companions. Jason joins us to talk about his new book, Invisible Storm, and what it really takes to go from post traumatic stress to post traumatic growth. (Don’t let that ‘post traumatic growth’ turn you away from this episode! There are no shortcuts to happiness

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It’s Not Just Business: Healthcare Equity &...

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2024/06/03

Dr. Errol Pierre is a corporate executive, leader, mentor, and outspoken advocate for healthcare equity in the US and Haiti. HIs book, The Way Up, helps underrepresented individuals from all ethnic backgrounds achieve their professional goals and elevate their careers in today's workplace. What you probably don’t know is that grief - in one form or another - plays a part in every one of those roles. In this episode we cover: Why a book about climbing the corporate ladder gets the spotlight

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Pet Loss and Veterinarians Who Cry: with Veterinary...

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2024/05/27

Nobody likes to talk about pet loss… but everybody wants to talk about pet loss. What a difficult scenario that is! Veterinary oncologist Dr. Renee Alsarraf, author of Sit, Stay, Heal, joins us to talk about grief, professionalism, and the importance of being human - on the job and off. In this episode we cover: The whole truth about loving - and losing - your pets The terrible advice Dr. Renee Alsarraf’s grad school teacher gave her (and why she refused to listen) Why vets and other

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Horse Barbie & Cultivating Trans Joy with Geena Rocero

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2024/05/20

Can you hide in plain sight?From trans beauty pageants in the Philippines, to the catwalks of New York City fashion week, to the Ted Talk mainstage – Filipina-American model Geena Rocero has lived an astounding life. This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK, the author of Horse Barbie: A Memoir shares what it costs to suppress your true self in order to find safety and success, and why joy is powerful medicine. Geena Rocero is a trans advocate, speaker, and author of the new book, Horse

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Real Self-Care with Dr. Pooja Lakshmin

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2024/05/13

Have you ever put on a face mask, expecting it to solve all your mental health problems? That seems…unrealistic, but it’s what self-care marketing tells us: get your self-care right, and all your difficulties will evaporate. This week on It’s OK, Dr. Pooja Lakshmin, author of Real Self-Care, breaks down what “self-care” actually means when we’re living in a complex, capitalistic world. It’s an exploration of grief, burnout, and exhaustion, and what it takes to care for yourself inside systems that

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Is There Any Good News on Climate Change? with Bill...

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2024/05/06

We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. In this episode we cover: Is halting climate change

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A Renaissance of Our Own: The Stories We Tell...

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2024/04/29

Can grief be an opportunity for growth and self-understanding? The answer, of course, is yes: but it’s a bit more complex than that. This week, author, philanthropist, activist Rachel Cargle on survival optimism, the resilience narrative, and why questioning the stories you tell yourself - with curiosity and kindness - is a powerful path of healing. In this episode we cover: How was grief modeled for you growing up, and how does that affect later grief? Can your memory of childhood grief be…

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Live Each Day Like It’s Your First: with Alua Arthur

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2024/04/22

What would a meaningful life look like for you? According to Death Doula Alua Arthur, conversations about death can be the most enriching conversations we have. It’s not about accepting death, or avoiding grief - it’s about building a relationship with yourself and others that doesn’t hold anything back. Why should you listen? Yeah, because you’re mortal and one day you'll die, but more importantly: because one day, hopefully in the far off future, you’ll look back at this life you’ve lived

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More Anger Means More Joy: Part Two with Soraya Chemaly

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2024/04/15

What do we lose when we’re not allowed to be angry? In a lot of ways, anger is more taboo than grief. They’re deeply related, as you’ll hear in this two-part episode: both grief and anger are considered “negative” emotions, things you shouldn’t feel, and definitely shouldn’t express in polite company. But what if reclaiming our anger was the way to build the world - and the relationships - we most want? All of that and more with the best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly. In

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Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya...

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2024/04/08

What do we lose when we’re not allowed to be angry? In a lot of ways, anger is more taboo than grief. They’re deeply related, as you’ll hear in this two-part episode: both grief and anger are considered “negative” emotions, things you shouldn’t feel, and definitely shouldn’t express in polite company. But what if reclaiming our anger was the way to build the world - and the relationships - we most want? All of that and more with the best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly. In

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Do You Have to Be Friends with Everyone? with Dr....

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2024/04/03

What should you do if someone wants to be friends, but you’re not into it? Boundaries are part of all human relationships, but they are TRICKY. Welcome to part two of our show about boundaries - how to make them, how to keep them, and sometimes, how to breach them - with special guest Dr. Alexandra Solomon, host of Reimagining Love. In this episode we cover: Starting over in a new place with new friends Why we so often confuse boundaries with being mean or rude The power of social

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Tricky Boundaries & Skillful Negotiation with Dr....

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2024/04/01

What do you do when someone cuts you out of their life? How do you back away slowly from someone you really don’t want to be around? Boundaries are part of all human relationships, but they are TRICKY. This week on It’s OK, part one of our show about boundaries - how to make them, how to keep them, and sometimes, how to breach them - with special guest Dr. Alexandra Solomon, host of Reimagining Love. In this episode we cover: Why relational self-awareness is the key to all good

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Complex PTSD and the Art of Survival with Author...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2024/03/25

If you’ve lived through horrific trauma or abuse, is it really fair of us to say that the ways you’ve learned to cope are “bad,” or to use clinical speak, “maladaptive”? This week on It’s OK, Stephanie Foo, author of What My Bones Know, joins me to talk about complex PTSD and the ways we pathologize human responses to trauma. You’ll also hear how claiming your own messy, complex coping mechanisms can help you build a community that sees you and loves you. If you’re haunted by any type of trauma,

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Organized Grief = Social Movements with Malkia...

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2024/03/18

There’s no denying the grief that permeates everyday life. It’s in the news, in our communities, and in our personal lives. The thing is - we never really talk about how much this grief connects us. This episode is STUNNING. It has gifts for everyone - whether you’re grieving a personal loss or you’re an activist of any kind. It was recorded in the summer of 2023, so you will not hear us mention P*lestine - you can bet if we’d recorded it now, that grief, and that need for belonging, would be

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What’s the Deal With Prolonged Grief Disorder (and...

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine ·

2024/03/11

PROLONGED GRIEF DISORDER! It’s everywhere - social media, The New York Times, The Washington Post… it’s the hot new medical condition everyone’s talking about. But why is everyone so mad about it? This week on the show, an overview of this hotly contested “new” human disorder, and what it means for the average person, for healthcare providers, and honestly - for the whole world. This is one medical diagnosis that affects everyone. In this episode we cover: Why anyone should care what the APA

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Sam Sanders: Life Has Been Lifing

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2024/03/04

Sam Sanders is a well known and well loved radio and podcast host. He went a little extra-viral for a recent episode of his show, Vibe Check, in which he and his co-hosts openly discussed grief. Maybe you heard that episode: Life Has Been Lifing Lately. This week on It’s OK That You’re Not OK, Sam joins us to talk about being open with his grief, and the ongoing relationships we have even after death. In this episode we cover: What happens if you give grief a voice? The double-edged sword

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