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Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom

From Tenacious Change, featuring Tom Klaus and Lamar Roth

"Third Space" is a space where two or more people with differing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. In this podcast two lifelong friends, Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus, carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom features an exploration of how to talk with one another about significant, even

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00:48:23

S3E7 - Oddly True for April Fools' Day

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2025/03/31

On this April Fools’ Day eve Lamar and Tom have a bit of fun with some of the odd but true stories in the news. Hey, we all need a break when things have been pretty heavy in the world, right? Thankfully we have April Fools’ Day to help us out. Learn more: News stories that inspired today’s show: The price of eggs is coming downhttps://www.newsweek.com/price-eggs-rising-falling-cost-2042992 Royal

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S3E6 - A Table Talk on Crime-Punishment-and-Pardons

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2025/03/17

President Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of nearly 1,600 people who committed “certain offenses” at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. As these folks return to their homes, how do their communities respond to them? Inspired by a story of one such J6 defendant in the New York Times, Lamar and Tom have a Table Talk on crimes, punishments, and pardons. Learn more: Pardoned for January 6, She Came Home to a New Reality:

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S3E5 A Table Talk on the Early Days of the New...

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2025/03/03

What is new was old. What is old is new again. This is true of many things, including politics. On January 20th Donald J. Trump became President of the United States again for the second time. It has been a fast-paced and interesting (some would say “frightening”) few weeks. In this podcast Lamar and Tom scootch up to the kitchen table, pour a cup of coffee, and talk about what has been happening. Join us!Learn more: News stories that inspired today’s show: What is Elon Musk’s job

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S3E4 - Heidi & Guy Burgess - Part 2

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2025/02/17

Part 2 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado.In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the

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SE3E3 - Guy & Heidi Burgess - Part 1

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2025/02/03

Part 1 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado.In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the

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00:44:33

S3E2 - More Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 2

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2025/01/20

What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the

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S3E1 - Conversation on The Social Dilemma - Part 1

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2025/01/06

What is your relationship with social media? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you avoid it? What if there are good reasons to love it, hate it, and avoid it - all at once? In this podcast Lamar and Tom are joined by their friend, colleague, and charity culture catalyst Ed Shrager from London. They each had the assignment of watching the Netflix documentary/docudrama “The Social Dilemma” that provides an inside look at social media through the perspective of the people who developed it in the

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S2E21 - It's a Wrap! 2024 and Season 2

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/12/23

About this EpisodeIt’s a wrap on Season 2 of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom and on 2024. In this episode Lamar and Tom talk about holiday traditions and foods and they discuss their favorite Christmas movies. They take a few minutes to reflect on what they’ve learned doing the podcast in 2024 and what they would like to do in the future. They wander briefly into politics to discuss the most recent Congressional budget debacle. Finally, they remember the contributions of Tony Campolo to

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S2E20 - Journalist Alex Bhattacharji

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/12/09

Today Lamar and Tom welcome award winning journalist Alex Battacharji to Getting to 3rd Space. Alex is the author of ‘We Didn’t Know What Was Next. Nobody Tells You.’ on Inc.com published on December 2,2024. The article is about the mass shooting at Excel Industries eight years later. Excel is where Lamar was the head of human resources at the time of the shooting. Previously we have aired an interview with Lamar about his experience. As with those previous podcasts, we want to let people know that

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00:55:29

S2E19 - Donald Trump's Cabinet Picks and Our...

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/11/25

During this past couple of weeks President-elect Donald Trump has been making nominations for his cabinet. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about a few of his nominations. Please note, though, that politics and news changes quickly and so did at least one of his nominees discussed in this podcast. By the time we posted this podcast to the internet about 4 days later, the nominee had withdrawn. That’s how things happen sometimes, and so we have to be prepared to swerve and then keep going. Also,

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S2E18 - The 2024 Presidential Election

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/11/11

The 2024 Presidential ElectionThe 2024 Presidential Election is over. It’s been a long and eventful political season. In this episode Lamar and Tom discuss their thoughts on it. About This Episode They also talk about errant tumbleweeds, meteors (or possibly space junk), and upcoming podcasts. Please note: In the last few minutes of the podcast, a software issue caused our images to "flip" (change places) on the screen. You are not imagining it and it is nothing to be concerned about. It did not

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S2E16 - We Are Back...Almost

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2024/09/21

Wow, life happens and sometimes it can be exciting even if it is disruptive. In our case it has been both exciting and disruptive, and we needed to suspend our podcast briefly but we are working our way back. We’ve recorded this brief podcast to catch you up on what has been happening. And, wow, have we missed a lot of stuff while we’ve been away.We are taking a brief hiatus but we’ll be back sooner than you might imagine. Maybe even sooner than you had hoped! Thanks for your patience and keep

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S2E15 - Quieting the Noise of this Political Season

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2024/08/05

Whether we like it, love it, or hate it, we are now in the midst of a full-blown Presidential campaign. The news just keeps happening. After the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, President Joe Biden decided to end his run for a second term. He endorsed his Vice President, Kamala Harris, and all political parties are now in full campaign mode. As a result, conversations about politics will be unavoidable for most of us. Though we try to avoid politics in our podcast, we are

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S2E14 - An Assassination Attempt and Turning Down the...

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2024/07/22

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!As we were preparing for our next podcast, former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. One bullet grazed his right ear and bullets struck three people in the audience. One died and two others were seriously wounded. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about the escalation of violent rhetoric in the 2024 U.S. Presidential campaign and the need to turn down the temperature by choosing our words and

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S2E13 - Excel Shooting Part 2

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2024/07/08

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH. In our last podcast we started a conversation with Lamar about the February 25, 2016 mass shooting at Excel Industries in Hesston, Kansas. Lamar was the Director of Human Resources at Excel and his leadership role thrust him into the midst of dealing with the shooting and its aftermath on behalf of the

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S2E12 - Excel Shooting Part 1

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/06/27

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!CONTENT ADVISORY: THIS EPISODE OF GETTING TO 3RD SPACE WITH LAMAR AND TOM DISCUSSES A MASS SHOOTING, WITH FATALITIES, AND ITS AFTERMATH. On February 25, 2016, Lamar Roth, cohost of Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom, was Director of Human Resources for Excel Manufacturing in Hesston, Kansas. Cedric Ford, an Excel employee, entered the building and began shooting. That day four people died, including Cedric, more than a dozen others were

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S2E11 - Conversation with Kansas State Senator...

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2024/06/10

Lamar and Tom talk with Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinnIn today’s podcast Lamar and Tom welcome Kansas State Senator Carolyn McGinn. Senator McGinn has represented the 31st District as a Republican since 2005. Prior to serving in the Kansas Senate, she was a Sedgwick County Commissioner. She and her husband, Mark, own and operate McGinn’s Grapes and Grain, a family farm outside of Wichita, Kansas. In 2012 Senator McGinn was one of nine Kansas senators whose seats were targeted by members of

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A Getting to 3rd Space Redux: Barriers, Bears, &...

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2024/05/27

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!If you are in the United States, it is a holiday (Memorial Day). Tom’s out chasing a golf ball around a local golf course and Lamar is out taking more beautiful photos. At least, that’s what we hope we are doing today. In our absence, we are offering a redux of one of our earliest podcasts from October 21, 2023. We titled it Barriers, Bears, and Gummy Bears. We won’t say it is a “Best of” Getting to Third Space because we were still learning a

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S2E10 - A Table Talk about Gun Regulation

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/05/13

About Today’s Episode - A Table Talk on Gun RegulationToday’s show features a Table Talk about gun regulation. You’ll remember that Table Talk is a new, occasional feature that we’ll include in Getting to Third Space. It was inspired by the kitchen table in the farm homes we grew up in where it was a central gathering place. Not only did we eat there, but we played games, entertained guests, and had conversations. Sometimes the conversations were light and fun. Sometimes they were serious

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S2E9 A Table Talk about Self-Driving Vehicles

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2024/04/29

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this episode we introduce a new feature for the podcast: Table Talk. In the farm homes where we both grew up, the kitchen table was a central gathering place. Not only did we eat there, but we played games, entertained guests, and had conversations. Sometimes the conversations were light and fun. Sometimes they were serious conversations about differing ideas and perspectives on important issues. In this Table Talk, we will pose a question

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