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Black and White and Gold

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Deep conversations are a whole love language, and we"re going there! Talking about many different topics, from the mundane to the taboo--we"ll make it complicated, we"ll hopefully create a little empathy and decrease judgment of others along the way. blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 38 - Speaking Across the Divide - with Emilie...

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/05/29

As we sat down with Emilie and Ashlie, it was like talking to old friends. Never mind that Emilie and Carly grew up in the same valley at the same time, several parts of all of our stories had intersecting points. In this conversation, we explore the intersection of personal growth, faith, and LGBTQ+ experiences. We discuss navigating relationships within the church and the evolution of understanding faith, highlighting how spirituality can be deeply personal and subjective. Ultimately, we find we

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59:45

Episode 37 - Breaking Free: Jehovah's Witness to...

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2025/05/22

This conversation explores a conversation with Jason and Jennifer Shelton, our old neighbors. Jason grew up in the Jehovah's Witness faith and later left it, fell into addiction, and has emerged on the other side living a sober, family-filled, loving life. They discuss the challenges of growing up in a high-expectation religion, including the impact of shunning, the struggle for personal identity paired with the deep desire to maintain family relationships, and the journey towards sobriety and

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Episode 36 - From LDS to Pagan: Ancestral Connection...

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2025/05/15

In this enlightening conversation, Jess Lee shares her journey of ancestral connection and spiritual identity, transitioning from her upbringing in the LDS faith to embracing a pagan belief system. The discussion explores the nuances of genealogy versus ancestral work, the importance of honoring one's ancestors, and the challenges of generational healing. Jess emphasizes the need for open communication and understanding in navigating faith transitions, while also celebrating the beauty of cultural

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Episode 35 - Finding God Within - with Emma Anne Tassey

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2025/05/08

Instagram: @theradicaltruthteller This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 34 - Adventures with God, with Jess Berryhill

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2025/05/01

My experience with Jess began in 2006 when I met and taught her as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s been a wild ride ever since (and for Jess, before that, obv). But dang. This woman and her magic and power is incredible. Can’t wait to learn what you think about Jess’s story!Learn about Friendship House:www.thfriendshiphouse.org Follow Jess on Instagram This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus

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Episode 33 - Coming Out to Move Forward - with Kylee...

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2025/04/24

Part 2 of 2 with Kylee MollotteIt’s easy to armchair quarterback someone else’s life. But how often do we consider what it actually looks like to be in their shoes?Maybe we should try a bit harder in that space. K, love your buns.Thanks for reading! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 32 - When Coming Out Simultaneously Ruins and...

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2025/04/17

Imagine growing up in an idyllic small town, with cousins and siblings aplenty, then you grow up, move out, marry to an NFL player, and settle down in a brand new house in a perfect neighborhood, where by all appearances, you have the perfect life.What could possibly go wrong? Turns out a lot, when your whole identity is based on a lie. Find out in this episode what happens when Kylee finally comes out to herself and the way she coped as her marriage crumbled and she was left with rubble.Stick

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Episode 31 - What's the Difference Between Religion...

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2025/04/10

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Episode 30 - It's Complicated (But Beautiful) - with...

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2025/04/03

Norma Thomas’s story weaves in all the layers of duality, creating the most beautiful mix of everything, which is apropos for this woman. She is a force of nature, and her story is continually unfolding. Thanks for reading! This post is public so feel free to share it.Thanks for reading! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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Episode 29 - Staying Curious - with Brad Kelley

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2025/03/27

Listen, Robbie is my favorite, but the man is particular about who he talks to. But this Brad Kelly guy? Brad gets mentioned. This conversation was SO fun, with many layers and the journey through Christianity into Hindu practices, and beyond…let’s just say it’s not your typical Farm Boy from Central Washington story…Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other

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Episode 28 - Oh Say, What is Truth?

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2025/03/20

The word flies around as if we’re all using the same definition…but we’re not. So…let’s talk about the different ways people use the word “truth” and maybe we can be a bit more on the same page in conversation, yes?Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 27 - When the "Shelf" Implodes with Becca Martin

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2025/03/13

Content warning: This episode discusses infant loss and stillbirth. Please care for yourself accordingly.Join the conversation on Instagram and Substack:https://www.instagram.com/blackandwhiteandgoldhttps://blackandwhiteandgold.substack.comListen to The Bec Effect on iTunes and Spotify:Follow Becca on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/the_beceffecthttps://www.instagram.com/thesevenon7th This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus

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Episode 26 - Understanding Stages of Faith

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2025/03/06

Using Brian McLaren’s Stages of Faith from his book Faith After Doubt, we explore some of the intricacies of a faith collective from different stages. We talk about what each stage can look like, the ins- and outs- of several facets, and whether moving into different stages (or attempting to force others into them) is even the goal in the first place.Are the stages of faith a new concept for you? We’d love to discuss them in the chat! Ask any question, and let’s bring a collective conversation to

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Episode 25 - When the Pastor Leaves Church Behind...

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2025/02/27

Content Warning: typically, we will do our best to keep language to a minimum, but this one we kept all the conversation as it happened. If this is something you’re sensitive to, please take care as necessary, but we would invite you to sit with it and listen if you’re open to it, as there’s much to learn from our discussion. You are loved.Hold up - a podcast season on faith transitions and an opportunity to speak with a pastor who left his own church? Ummm…where do we sign up? This conversation was

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Episode 24 - Potluck Church

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2025/02/20

What began as a thought exercise one day when I was fed up (pun intended) with making ONE MORE meal (actually, it was two) for ONE MORE activity in order to engage with my church community outside of a worship service turned in to a whole 40+ minute episode. We pull at the idea of Cafeteria Mormons (insert any church here, this is just our personal soup), church potlucks, and how to love the margins instead of vilifying them. Ya know…just like Jesus taught. 😘We’d love to have you join us in a chat

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Episode 23 - Finding God Outside with Nikki Revis

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2025/02/13

Nikki Revis is a business and energetics coach helping women succeed in all aspects of their lives. She’s tiny, but the woman packs a punch. She was willing to sit with me to talk about her faith journey, being raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and choosing to step away from the church to develop her relationship with God as an adult.I was honored to witness all the different parts she shared here, and hearing about the contemplative journey to where she is now. Everything

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Episode 22 - Why Do People Leave Religion?

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2025/02/06

Season TWO, friends! This entire season will be weaving in and through the stories of people who have dealt with complicated religious experiences and how they navigated it. In this intro episode, we are setting the stage to help us all be on the same page for these conversations, with a lot of good things to keep in mind, particularly if you’ve never dealt with a faith crisis/transition/deconstruction/expansion/etc personally. This season is one big continual conversation, and we would LOVE to hear

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Episode 21 - I Think You're Wrong (Part 2 of 2)

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2024/12/26

We sincerely hope you are enjoying this episode in comfy jammies and are making lovely memories with family and friends. …but if not, we hope you have peace anyway. We love your guts, and we’ll be back with full episodes on Season 2 in early February. More info to come. Book Links to purchase (affiliate links) and link directly to the Pantsuit Politics Substack (but for real…worth a follow).I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth SilversPantsuit PoliticsCrucial

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Episode 20 - I Think You're Wrong (But I'm Listening...

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2024/12/19

Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work.I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth SilversPantsuit PoliticsCrucial Conversations - Our next book club book…get a head start! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 19 - On What Religion and COVID Taught Us...

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2024/12/12

It’s hard to overstate the mood swings felt on the journey of this episode. Maybe some of you can relate? Join us as we talk about nuance through the lens of religion, covid, and politics. Here’s to hoping this minefield helps some of you process too. 🤟🏼Come be social with us:instagram.com/blackandwhiteandgoldblackandwhiteandgold.substack.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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