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Break the Business

Break the Business Podcast

A show for indie creators and the people who love and support them. Break the Business Podcast is a fun and informative discussion of entertainment law (for non-lawyers), independent artists, and popular culture. Break the Business is recorded live on Thursdays at 9pm Eastern at twitch.tv/breakthebusiness. Catch the show on Mondays at 6pm on SiriusXM Channel 145 SLAM Radio and on all major podcast platforms! If you"d like to be a guest or have any questions, please send us an email at

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BTB Ep 234: A fresh perspective on artist consulting...

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2020/06/28

This week, Ryan sits down with artist coach and music business consultant Lindsey Kirkendell. An accomplished expert who specializes in working with female creatives, Lindsey talks to Ryan about her coaching philosophy, time management strategies for artists, and how she focuses on coaching the “whole person” when working with clients. Lindsey shares lots of excellent advice for indie artists along the way. You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting

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32:14

BTB Ep 233: The future of music streaming with Zack...

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2020/06/21

This week, Ryan sits down with Zack Zalon, founder and CEO of Super Hi-Fi. Super Hi-Fi is an award-winning audio innovation company that uses AI to allow music services to transform the gaps between songs on digital platforms into relevant and personalized content for listeners. Ryan talks to Zack about his company and also gets his perspective on the future of music streaming and the potential opportunities and impact of that future for indie artists. You can find out more about our guest’s work by

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BTB Ep 232: Breaking down barriers in country music...

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2020/06/14

This week, we are joined by Canada-based indie country artist Drake Jensen. Fresh from being recently featured in Billboard Magazine and The Advocate, Drake talks to Ryan about building a successful music career as a member of the LGBTQ community in the country genre, and how he was able to find his voice and celebrate his community through his art. Drake has lots of great advice for listeners about building the right team to find success as an artist-entrepreneur. You can find out more about our

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22:35

BTB Ep 231: The booking agent’s perspective on...

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2020/06/07

This week, Ryan sits down with Jack Forman, booking agent and executive vice president at Bicoastal Productions. We get Jack’s perspective on how COVID-19 is affecting the live music industry, the rise of online live shows, and how physical and online are blending together in the live performance space. Jack also gives some helpful advice on how artists can get a booking agent.You can find out more about our guest’s work by visiting www.bicoastalproductions.com.Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the

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15:34

BTB Ep 230: Using data-driven marketing with James...

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2020/05/31

This week, Ryan talks with James Landry and Elliot Tousley, the co-founders of the De Novo Agency. De Novo is an organization that partners with independent musicians to assist them in finding more business opportunities by utilizing data-driven marketing. James and Elliot talk about how indie artists should be using data, what sort of data is “overrated,” and how De Novo works with artist clients to achieve measurable career goals. James and Elliot also talk about their new distribution service

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20:33

BTB Ep 229: How COVID-19 is affecting the music...

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2020/05/24

What is the data telling us about how COVID-19 is affecting different sectors of the music business, and how are indie artists being affected? The answers may surprise you. We talk to our guest Jason Joven of data analytics platform Chartmetric this week to get some insight. Jason does a deep drive into the data and gives some great advice for indie artists based on his platform’s findings. Be sure to check out Chartmetric’s ongoing “How COVID is Affecting the Music Industry” series by visiting

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15:45

BTB Ep 228: Blockchain saves the music industry with...

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2020/05/17

This week, Ryan sits down with Bitfury Surround CEO Stefan Schulz. Surround is a platform that will offer an ecosystem of blockchain-based management services to provide transparency for the exchange and monetization of intellectual property in music. Blockchain can be used to strengthen music ownership, create smart contracts for music, facilitate efficient payments for artists, and much more. Blockchain has the potential of fostering significant growth in the music industry and our guest shares

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15:49

Ep 227: Simplifying sync licensing with Shellie Lewis...

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2020/05/10

Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, independent musicians are continuing to embrace the diversification of their income streams beyond live performances. One important area of income for many indies is in the sync licensing of their catalogs to movies, TV programs, commercials, and video games. Our guests this week, Shellie Lewis and Cestjon McFarland, are executives at Syncfloor, a platform that aims to simplify the sync licensing process for rights holders and licensees. Ryan talks to Shellie and Cestjon

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24:04

BTB Ep 226: Thriving as a creative during COVID-19...

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2020/05/03

This week, friend of the podcast Clarence Charron of Pop of Colour stops by. Pop of Colour is a brand management agency that provides marketing and consultation services for musicians and other creators. We talked to Clarence about his own experiences with the COVID-19 pandemic and support programs that exist for artists in his home country of Canada. Clarence also offers some great advice on livestreaming and and updating your brand as your career matures. You can find out more about our guest’s

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15:03

BTB Ep 225: Musician self-care during COVID-19 with...

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2020/04/26

This week, Ryan sits down with Katie Zaccardi. She is a musician, songwriter, and wellness coach that works with musicians in the areas of self-care, mental health, and time management. She is also the host of the podcast “Out to Be,” a weekly program featuring expert interviews on those areas. Katie talks to Ryan about self-care techniques that musicians can do during the pandemic, and the importance of building relationships with others during this challenging time. You can find out more about our

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15:24

BTB Ep 224: Building your community during the...

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2020/04/19

This week, Ryan sits down with friend of the podcast Ashley K. Stoyanov of Women Crush Music. Women Crush is a nationwide nonprofit organization that provides education and support services for women in music. Ryan talks to Ashley about the support services that WCM is providing for female musicians during the pandemic. Ashley also gives advice on the importance of building and fortifying your community as an indie artist during this challenging period. WCM is sponsoring a weekly virtual showcase on

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BTB Ep 223: Co-host Dave is back!!!

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2020/04/12

Things are crazy right now and we all want to just relax and laugh, so we brought back our co-host Dave this week to update us on his life and talk pop culture. Ryan and Dave talk about Tiger King, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and more. Longtime fans of the Podcast will appreciate that we also brought back an old favorite segment, “Dave The Ultimate Arbiter.” For indie musicians looking for resources to move your careers forward and find support during the pandemic, check out the links below:

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27:18

BTB Ep 222: Moving your music career forward during...

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2020/04/05

This week, Ryan sits down with friend-of-the-Podcast and CD Baby Marketing VP Kevin Breuner. Kevin provides some valuable insight as a musician and music executive on how artists can continue to move their careers forward during the pandemic. Ryan and Kevin talk about best practices in livestreaming and how to make the most of time spent at home. CD Baby has an excellent resource of helpful advice and links for indie artists during COVID-19, which you can find here:

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BTB Ep 221: Using technology to collaborate with...

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2020/03/29

This week, Ryan sits down with Arnau Bosch, co-founder and CEO of the new social music collaboration and discovery platform Soundstorming. Soundstorming allows musicians to create with others on a smartphone-based app and it has some robust social and discovery features. Ryan talks to Arnau about the app and the role that collaboration technology will play for musicians during the global pandemic. You can find out more about the platform and our guest’s work by visiting

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BTB Ep 220: Recent developments in music copyright...

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2020/03/22

Recent copyright cases such as the "Blurred Lines" verdict have created concerns among songwriters who are fearful that they might accidentally write a song that could put them on the wrong end of an infringement claim. But with two pro-defendant rulings in the last few days in cases involving Led Zeppelin and Katy Perry, perhaps the pendulum might be swinging back. We talk to acclaimed IP lawyer Rick Sanders of Aaron Sanders PLLC to get his insight on the current music copyright landscape and what

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13:48

BTB Ep 219: Protecting your music online with Amadea...

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2020/03/15

This week, Ryan sits down with Amadea Choplin, the COO of content monitoring platform Pex. Pex works with music creators to monitor online platforms to identify music to monitor consumption data, facilitate content takedowns, and to negotiate content licensing deals. Ryan talks to Amanda about how the platform works (and how powerful it is!), and how artists can use this technology to protect their music online and to obtain valuable data about how people are listening to their content. You can find

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BTB Ep 218: Managing a successful DIY album release...

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2020/03/08

This week, Ryan talks to Eric Nizgretsky, the lead singer of NYC-based indie band Loose Buttons. Loose Buttons released its debut album “Something Better” in February as a true DIY effort. The band managed every aspect of the successful release process, including producing their own release show and getting their album into New York City’s largest record store without a distributor. Eric has lots of tips for indie artists to share from his incredible experience. You can find out more about the band

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18:35

BTB Ep 217: Artists getting equity with Zack O’Malley...

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2020/03/01

This week, Ryan chats with with Zack O’Malley Greenburg, the senior editor of media and entertainment at Forbes. Zack joins us this week to talk about his latest book, "A-List Angels: How a Band of Actors, Artists, and Athletes Hacked Silicon Valley,” which is available on March 10th. Zack talks to us about the emerging phenomenon of entertainment superstars capitalizing on their fame to obtain stakes in thriving tech startups. There are a lot of great lessons from that book that apply to indie

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25:08

BTB Ep 216: Tony Van Veen talks about the role of...

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2020/02/23

This week, Ryan sits down with DIY Media Group CEO Tony Van Veen. DIY Media Group is the parent company for music and book distribution brands Disc Makers, BookBaby, and Merchly. Tony and Ryan talk about Tony’s work in guiding Disc Makers and CD Baby through an economic recession and how physical and digital distribution platforms have adapted to changes in the music business. Tony also provides his perspective on the role that physical distribution in particular can play for today’s indie artists

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BTB Ep 215: Payment solutions for indie artists with...

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2020/02/16

This week, Ryan sits down with the DeCarlos Garrison and Gleb Teper, co-founders of the music tech venture BandPay. BandPay is a customizable platform for indie artists that facilitates payments by setting up milestone-based compensation processes. The platform also provides a mediation feature to help artists settle payment disputes. DeCarlos and Gleb talk about their platform and provide advice to help artists earn a stable livelihood. BandPay will launch in app stores next month and you can find

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