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00:43:50

The Cross-Chain Intents Landscape with Catalyst

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2024/07/04

A problem we've been fiddling with in the interoperability landscape is this idea behind achieving maximum extensibility with regards to the creation of hundreds of new chains.We know that if there's going to be an overwhelming amount of chains, we need solutions that are permissionless and easy to spin up on new chains. For today's podcast, we sat down with Catalyst CTO Alexander, to discuss this situation and more. We talked about the concept of the unit of liquidity, which enables

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01:00:56

Where Lumio Fits in The Modular Thesis

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2024/07/03

There's quite a bit of conversation ongoing in the zeitgest of the modular research community. We tend to lean into technical topics more than the flavor of the day, but for this episode we managed to do both.We were joined by Alejo Pinto, one of the founders of Lumio, to discuss their modular VM abstraction framework, enabling developers to build and deploy apps everywhere, as well as the state of sequencing and composability in the space. Lumio supports popular VMs like SVM, Move VM, and

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00:47:27

The C.A.K.E Framework, Credible Accounts, and...

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2024/07/02

The C.A.K.E framework established that chain abstraction is a collaborative effort, and not a one winner takes all situation.This idea for how the intents and chain abstraction stack works was originally created by Frontier Research and now there is a C.A.K.E working group. Since then, they have also spun off a new project called OneBalance focusing on credible accounts and achieving the chain abstraction experience. We were joined by Stephane, an ex-Flashbots team, and now leading the OneBalance

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00:50:03

Where Aligned Layer Fits in The Modular Thesis

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2024/07/01

The acceleration of ZK is happening at a rapid pace. Last week we covered the collaboration between Succinct and AggLayer on the proof generation side using SP1, a generalized ZKVM. Today, we're excited to share insights from our recent chat with RJ and Mauro from Aligned Layer, the other half to the ZK puzzle focused on verifying proofs. RJ and Mauro have deep roots in engineering and cryptography, originally honed at Lambda Class. Aligned is on a mission to accelerate the Ethereum roadmap

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00:36:08

Taiko's Based Rollup Is Live, Now What?

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2024/06/28

There's been a lot going on in the zeitgest with regards to based rollups, pre-confirmations, MEV, and whether or not based rollups are going to make it in the longer term.We're about to find out. In today's podcast, we were joined by Taiko's founder Daniel Wang, to discuss their "permissionless based rollup" which allows unrestricted block proposals and proofs. One of the challenges Taiko faces is the higher cost associated with base rollups compared to centralized

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00:48:55

ZK Acceleration: Pessimistic Proofs with AggLayer and...

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2024/06/27

Is ZK real? Unironically, this was the first question Robbie asked our guests Uma Roy, founder of Succinct & Brendan Farmer, co-founder of Polygon. If you've been following the latest developments in ZK (but not trademarked), you'll know that it is the closest thing to the endgame of crypto. However, you'll also know the progress has been somewhat slow as its not a trivial task to build zk circuits and logic. Enter: Succinct & generalizable ZKVMs. SP1 is the rust-based zkVM

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00:57:58

Where Everclear Fits in The Modular Thesis

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2024/06/26

Everclear, formerly known as Connext, recently launched with a fresh focus as the Clearing Layer aiming to solve the ever-present modular fragmentation problem.Today we talked with Arjun Bhuptani, about their history coining the term "chain abstraction", building an intents-based bridge, and now working to collaborate with the intents and solver community. With Everclear, they are focusing on the clearing layer and chain abstraction stack. We discussed the critical challenges of

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00:45:46

Is sharding the path to achieving maximum scale?

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2024/06/25

Sovereignty or interoperability.Your choice, anon. In the recent zeitgest of crypto builders has been the idea of achieving sovereignty while also keeping interoperability. Today, we’re diving into this with Avi Zurlo, Chief Product Officer of =nil; Foundation. For this conversation, we had a focus on sharding and how =nil; Foundation is approaching this choice. Since its inception, =nil; Foundation has been a key player in low-level cryptographic infrastructure, focusing heavily on ZK

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00:59:32

Why Chain Abstraction is Inevitable

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2024/06/24

As large believers and proponents of the modular thesis, we (along with other voices in the space) have identified fragmentation as a kink in the armor of modularity. We think chain abstraction solves a lot, if not _all_ of this subpar user experience. Chain abstraction is all about making the user experience seamless. It is an experience itself. In today’s podcast with Ethan, devrel at Particle Network, we explored the definition of chain abstraction, where Particle fits, as well as the three

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00:44:26

Bitcoin and Beyond EP12: Taproot Wizards, CatVM, and...

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2024/06/20

For the final episode of our Bitcoin and Beyond series, we had the pleasure of sitting down with Taproot Wizards sorcerer and Bitcoin OG, Tyler Whittle.We took a deep dive into the world of Taproot Wizards and the intriguing OP-CAT mechanism, designed to enhance Bitcoin’s functionality. Taproot Wizards is a community dedicated to "making Bitcoin magical again". They are deeply rooted in Bitcoin culture and technology, aiming to push the boundaries of Bitcoin while not letting the

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00:31:49

Bitcoin and Beyond EP11: Is economic security a meme?

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2024/06/18

Cryptoeconomic security has been an extremely hot topic as of recent. With the rise of restaking and the general concept of "extending economic security" to new applications/services, we have seen some of the brightest minds in the space dedicating their career to this idea.In today’s piece, we take a closer look at Babylon Protocol, a protocol that introduces staking to the Bitcoin community and has a focus on extending Bitcoin's economic security. We were joined by Sankha Banerjee,

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01:00:20

Bitcoin and Beyond EP10: Programmable Native Bitcoin...

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2024/06/17

As we wrap up our Bitcoin and Beyond series this week, we had a chance to sit down with Robert Zaremba of BitCosm. BitCosm is building a Cosmos SDK based appchain that allows for programmable (and native) Bitcoin, leveraging the Bitcoin script and eventually BitVM. Being the same ecosystem as dWallet, BitCosm has a zero trust model, which eliminates the need for bridges and significantly reduces security risks. The dWallet Network plays a crucial role here, enabling secure, decentralized

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01:04:08

Bitcoin and Beyond EP9: Rollux's Merged Mining, Data...

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2024/06/14

We've been diving heads first into the technical design structure of Bitcoin L2s over the last two weeks with the goal of uncovering what is really happening behind the scenes in this space.Today's video, we did just that with Jagdeep Sindhu. Jag is a seasoned Bitcoin OG and has a strong opinion about the acceptable trust assumptions in Bitcoin scaling designs. Jag's vision is to transform Bitcoin into a 'super chain' where utility and security are both achievable without

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00:44:06

Bitcoin and Beyond EP8: Alpen Labs' Modular Rollup...

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2024/06/13

Alpen Labs is a project that is making significant strides in the world of ZK rollups. In our conversation with David Seroy, we explore the evolution of Bitcoin scaling solutions and the story of how Bitcoin scaling really started. David and the Alpen Labs team have been pioneering the research around Bitcoin scaling since the earliest of days. We talked about this story and David also shared his insights into how Alpen Labs prioritizes trust minimization and efficient design to enhance

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00:59:25

Bitcoin and Beyond EP7: Zero Trust Protocols with...

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2024/06/12

We're sure you've heard of zero knowledge proofs through our various pieces with industry leaders, but have you heard of zero trust protocols? From what we understand, its a newly coined term to describe the multi party computation tech utilized by the dWallet team.In today's presentation, we take a closer look at the evolution from the "castle and moat" model to zero trust. We discussed how traditional internet companies initially used the castle and moat model, but shifted

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00:46:53

Bitcoin and Beyond EP6: How Stacks Is Scaling Bitcoin...

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2024/06/11

No one better to discuss the bull case for Bitcoin L2s than long-time Bitcoin advocate and Stacks founder, Muneeb Ali.In today's video, we explore the competitive landscape of Bitcoin L2s, highlighting Stacks’ first-mover advantage and why Muneeb is extremely bullish on Bitcoin scaling primitives. We discuss the initial use cases for Bitcoin as collateral for yield generation, Bitcoin as a payment system, as well as the great "unlockening" of billions in dormant capital. We also

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00:53:08

Bitcoin and Beyond EP5: BitVM, OPCAT, and The...

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2024/06/10

The Bitcoin ecosystem is leapfrogging the development trajectory put forth by the Ethereum communityToday's piece focuses on how potential upgrades to the Bitcoin technologies like BitVM and OPCAT are opening up fresh possibilities for utilizing Bitcoin. Bitcoin has often been viewed as "conservative", but recent advancements suggest it could leapfrog over previous limitations, learning from Ethereum's experiences. We sit down Carsten of Cartesi to discuss how BitVM introduces

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00:55:16

Bitcoin and Beyond EP4: CoreDAO's Native Bitcoin...

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2024/06/07

Welcome to episode 4 of Bitcoin and Beyond.We all know Bitcoin as the original Proof of Work chain, so how does staking come into play? In today's episode we explore CoreDAO's consensus mechanism, staking offering, and technical bridging architecture. CoreDAO is aiming to separate Bitcoin’s asset value from its transactional rails, enabling higher throughput and lower cost ecosystems. This separation allows Bitcoin to be used more efficiently, particularly through bridging and HTLC atomic

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00:30:19

Bitcoin and Beyond EP3: Molecule is Bringing SVM To...

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2024/06/06

One of the best parts about our modular thesis is that it also applies to Bitcoin. We are seeing the same ideas of bringing next-gen VMs to Bitcoin scaling in the same way that we see with with Ethereum rollups. Notably, the tech hurdles to actually get an SVM rollup on bitcoin is much harder. Today we are specifically focusing on integrating the Solana Virtual Machine (SVM) onto Bitcoin. This idea aims to bring the fastest programmable execution layer to Bitcoin. In our interview with Chase from

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00:56:38

Bitcoin and Beyond EP2: Build on Bitcoin's Hybrid...

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2024/06/05

The trajectory to achieving a "full rollup" on Bitcoin is a gradual process, similar to that of Ethereum rollups gradually implementing fraud proofs/zk technology.Build on Bitcoin (BoB) has taken the approach of building a product (on mainnet now) which resembles more of an hybrid optimistic rollup between Ethereum and Bitcoin L2. They have been quick to market and have built a strong community. Despite the challenges, such as the complexity of building on Bitcoin compared to other

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