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Change Signal

Michael Bungay Stanier

If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast. Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what

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30:56

Beyond Resilience: Shatterproof: Dr. Tasha Eurich

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2025/06/18

What if the pain you're pushing through is actually the data you need; resilience programs are burning billions on the wrong problem; and there's a psychological theory that could transform your change work, but almost no one in business knows about it? Here's the uncomfortable truth: we're living in a "chaos era" of chronic, compounding stress that our bodies weren't designed for. Traditional resilience — that "bounce back" mentality — was built for isolated crises, not the relentless multi-domain

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26:00

The Three Voices Sabotaging Change: Otto Scharmer

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2025/06/11

Could it be that the biggest barrier to change isn't resistance from others, but three voices in your own head? And what if taking action too quickly is actually making everything worse?Otto Scharmer, creator of Theory U and MIT lecturer, reveals why most transformation efforts fail at the deepest level. The problem isn't strategy or resources—it's that we're fighting internal enemies we don't even recognize. Scharmer identifies three forces that sabotage every change leader: the voice of

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28:51

Trust: Your Change Leader Superpower? Rachel Botsman

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2025/06/04

Learn why trust is contextual, resistance signals engagement, and successfully navigating change requires embracing uncertainty.In this episode of Change Signal, I dive deep with Rachel Botsman, the world's expert on trust and Oxford University fellow, to explore how trust enables change — and how change can damage trust. Rachel challenges us to identify our organization's "trust states" and segment our communication accordingly, just as marketers would. What if those resistant employees aren't

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25:36

Solo with MBS: Are you a Change drama queen?

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2025/05/28

Discover how a simple three-role model can reveal dysfunctional patterns, what your least-played role says about your biggest triggers, and which powerful questions can transform strained relationships during change.In this LinkedIn Live, I dive into the Karpman Drama Triangle—a model I've used for 30+ years as both a self-management and change management tool. We all play Victim, Persecutor, and Rescuer roles, especially when stress levels rise during transformation initiatives. The question

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25:51

You Have to Work with the Resistance: Adam Kahane

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2025/05/21

Collaborating across differences, embracing unpredictability, and balancing power with love: these are the keys to transforming your organization's most challenging dilemmas.Adam Kahane teaches us that meaningful change often demands working with people we don't agree with, like, or trust. He calls it "radical collaboration." Think you need alignment before taking action? Think again. Kahane's most counterintuitive insight is that you need far less agreement than you think to collaborate

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5:48

Can Feelings Fast-Track Your Transformation?...

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2025/05/14

Emotion in business, slowing down to speed up, and regular check-ins that boost engagement—these are the game-changers for leading transformation.In this short but powerful episode, Cassandra Worthy challenges the outdated notion that feelings have no place in organizational change. Why do we still pretend emotions don't exist in the workplace? It's absurd—and counterproductive. Cassandra argues that when we leave emotion at the door, we leave humanity behind too. Her research proves that

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36:02

What Are Your Top Three Decisions? David Lancefield

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2025/05/07

Create to inspire forward motion, link your work to winning, and clarify who makes what decisions—these are the power moves that can elevate change work from frustrating to focused.David Lancefield brilliantly reframes "change" and "transformation" as words that trigger apathy or fear, suggesting we talk instead about creation. When you lead change initiatives, David insists you trace a clear line from your project to how the organization will win against competitors and better serve customers

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20:06

Your Change Team Needs More Conflict, Not Less: Liane...

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2025/04/30

Tension drives innovation, productive conflict is essential for change, and effective listening helps you understand what truly matters to people.Dr. Liane Davey reveals how to use conflict as a catalyst for positive change in organizations where most teams have too little productive tension, not too much. As a change leader, it turns out that your job isn't to avoid conflict but to create the right kind of "yoga uncomfortable" stretch that makes everyone stronger. Davey's tent metaphor

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28:07

Stop Planning, Start Prototyping Change: John Zeratsky

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2025/04/23

Here's prototype testing, hypothesis-driven change leadership, and the power of radical differentiation all rolled into one fascinating conversation.I'm SO over slow, overplanned, change management disconnected from reality. That's why I brought in John Zeratsky, former design leader at YouTube and Google, who pioneered a process for testing new ideas in just five days. John reminds us that every change initiative is "just a hypothesis until you test it." There's always something unknowable in

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24:37

Are You Blinded by the “Change Obvious”? Dr Jason Fox

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2025/04/16

In this episode: Navigating uncertainty versus ambiguity, treating strategy as a living conversation, and looking beyond the obvious for weak signals.Dr. Jason Fox challenges conventional notions of change management by urging us to develop sensibilities rather than just skills. He argues that traditional scenario planning creates an illusion of control that fails when contexts shift radically. We’re both deeply skeptical of outsourcing strategy to consultants with impressive PowerPoint decks

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28:28

You’re over-flexing this change muscle: Dan Heath

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2025/04/09

Find leverage points that yield disproportionate returns, study bright spots instead of just solving problems, and tap into existing motivation rather than forcing buy-in.Dan Heath is one of the smartest writers I know about change and transformation, and his new book "Reset: How to Change What's Not Working" explores systems-level change that complements the behavior change approach from his earlier book "Switch." Dan shares brilliant insights about how teams miss change opportunities by accepting

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25:47

Ignore The Cynics, Win The Skeptics: Cassandra Worthy

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2025/04/02

Emotions at work, agency in change, and turning bitter into better: these are the deep insights for what it takes to maintain enthusiasm for successful transformation. In my conversation with Cassandra Worthy, she shares how painful corporate acquisitions led to her developing the "Change Enthusiasm" mindset and framework she now champions.She challenges the consulting doomsayers who claim 70-95% of change initiatives fail. Instead, Cassandra offers a refreshing perspective: change happens for you,

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4:21

An MBS change tool: Audit what works (and what doesn’t)

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2025/03/26

Audit your change tools, map them on a 2×2 matrix, and discover your untapped breakthrough approaches. In my first solo episode, I share a practical framework for evaluating your change management toolkit — perfect for transformation leaders who want to boost their success rate. Inspired by my conversation with Carolyn Webb, I suggest creating a consultant's classic tool: a 2×2 matrix plotting usage against impact.This matrix reveals four crucial insights about your change approaches. Your

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20:24

Do this ONE thing before you do ANYTHING else:...

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2025/03/19

Here's why auditing current commitments is essential before launching any new initiative, how to overcome our powerful bias toward maintaining the status quo, and what a 19th-century philosopher's fence teaches us about intelligent transformation.When leading organizational change, it pays to first understand what's already in motion. In this bonus episode, Caroline Webb, leadership coach, former McKinsey consultant, and author of "How to Have a Good Day," reveals our tendency to add new

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26:12

Your Brain's Dangerous Change Blind Spot: Leidy Klotz

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2025/03/12

When everyone else is adding, it pays to subtract. Seems simple enough, but it’s a strategy that’s overlooked and misunderstood, and change projects suffer because of it. Leidy Klotz reveals this blind spot we all share when looking to make improvements: we instinctively think about what to add rather than what to take away. Leidy offers practical approaches to overcome this bias, like incorporating subtraction into performance reviews and using "reverse pilots" to test removing processes. As change

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27:52

Why Leaders Keep Making Change Harder: Margaret...

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2025/02/26

Here's how to rebuild agency in change-resistant organizations, why euphemistic language kills transformation, and what we can learn from artists about embracing the unknown.When you're trying to lead organizational change, it's easy to fall into the trap of infantilizing your people - treating them like children who can't handle the truth. Margaret Heffernan, author of "Uncharted" and mentor to global CEOs, challenges us to think differently. Drawing from her experience running tech companies and

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24:45

The High School Secret to Org Change: Katy Milkman

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2025/02/12

Fresh starts supercharge change initiatives, pre-mortems predict failure points before they happen, and the “movable middle” holds the key to transformation success.Ever notice how change initiatives start with a bang but fizzle by February? As someone leading organizational change, you’ve probably seen this pattern too many times. In this episode, I explore these challenges with Katy Milkman, professor at Wharton and author of “How to Change.” She shares a mind-blowing insight: 40% of premature

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30:30

You don’t need 99% of change management models: Pim...

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2025/02/12

What if transformation started with a company-wide vote, moved at the speed of experimentation, and put connection before process? Meet Pim de Morree, co-founder of Corporate Rebels and a leader who’s transformed over 100 organizations into self-managing powerhouses. His radical approach? No acquisition happens unless 80% of employees vote yes after a two-day deep dive into what’s coming. Here’s what’s fascinating: the structural changes - ditching hierarchy, rewriting policies - that’s actually the

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Welcome to Your Favorite Podcast on Org Change and...

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2025/01/28

If you lead organizational transformation, this will be your favorite podcast.Leading change in organizations is harder than ever. It’s complex, it’s unpredictable and it’s overwhelming. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. New episodes drop every two weeks. Sign up for our weekly newsletter at https://thechangesignal.com/ == A welcome from Michael I’m so delighted you’re here. Thank you. If you know me at all, you might know me as the author of The Coaching

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