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Change Signal

Michael Bungay Stanier

If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast. Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what

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30:45

How an Engineer Would Map Your Org. Emily Moore

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2026/02/04

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Emily Moore:Who’s missing from your system map? What are you rushing to solve? And what is resistance actually trying to protect? If you lead change in a big organization, you already know the neat diagrams rarely survive contact with reality. Emily Moore — engineer, educator, and longtime industry leader — joins me to explore how systems thinking becomes far more useful when we stop

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28:47

The OARS of Real Engagement. John Anthony

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2026/01/28

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with John Anthony: Are you engaging people before you try to influence them? What resistance are you avoiding that you should be exploring? And how do you know whether you’re dancing with someone… or wrestling? John Anthony joins me to unpack why so many change conversations in large organizations stall, even with experienced leaders at the helm. He draws from motivational interviewing to show

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21:43

My Three Most Powerful Insights about Modern Change...

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2026/01/23

Three questions sit at the heart of this Change Signal episode: How much responsibility for change is owned throughout your organization? How much room is there for more change? How good are your mechanics at change? In this solo anniversary episode of Change Signal, I reflect on a year of conversations, experiments, and learning — and make the case that change management is a tired label for the realities leaders now face. I introduce three core drivers of modern change

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34:05

Change Lessons from Jugaad Innovation. Simone Ahuja

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2026/01/21

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Simone Ahuja: Are you solving the real problem or just the first one? What constraint might actually spark creativity? And who’s missing from the table when you design change? In this episode, Simone Ahuja — innovation strategist, intrapreneurship champion, and longtime student of jugaad — joins me to explore how change really happens inside large, complex organizations. She shows why the

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32:34

How to Clear Your "Head Trash." Charlie Gilkey

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2026/01/14

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Charlie Gilkey: What if success scares you more than failure? Where is your “head trash” quietly derailing your best ideas? And who belongs in your corner so your ambitious projects don’t stall? In this episode, I’m joined by Charlie Gilkey — author, coach, and champion of helping people finish what matters. If you’ve ever found yourself stuck between a big vision and the messy reality of

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29:56

Friction. Good or Bad in Change? Robert Sutton

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2026/01/07

Here are three big ideas that stand out in Bob Sutton’s conversation:leadership is about being a trustee of people’s time friction isn’t the enemy—it’s the signal and power makes you blind to the mess you’ve created. Bob—Stanford professor, author, and organizational psychologist—joins me to explore why good intentions in big organizations often create bureaucratic nightmares. We talk about what happens when leaders chase “efficiency” but forget empathy, and why treating

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33:30

How to Lead With the Plan: Charles Conn

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2025/12/31

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Charles Conn:What’s the smallest experiment you can start today? Where can you loosen control without losing direction? And could your team learn faster if you planned less? Charles Conn — investor, conservationist, and author of The Imperfect Leader — joins me to talk about how great change leaders stop waiting for perfect clarity and start moving through curiosity. He argues that big

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29:06

What “Trust State” Are You In? Rachel Botsman

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2025/12/24

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Rachel Botsman:What kind of trust are you actually building? How much uncertainty can you hold before you grab for control? And when was the last time you slowed down enough to build real trust instead of just speed? Rachel Botsman—Oxford University lecturer, author of How to Trust and Be Trusted, and one of the world’s foremost thinkers on trust—joins me to explore the fragile,

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26:26

Are You Measuring What Matters? Dr. Ryan Brown

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2025/12/17

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Dr. Ryan Brown:What are you measuring that doesn’t matter? Where might your data be lying to you? And what if the “immeasurable” parts of change are exactly what count? Ryan’s a behavioral scientist who studies how organizations measure what actually works—especially in complex, human systems of change. We talk about why measurement needs to start with humility—the courage to admit you

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7:24

The Obvious/Elusive Idea That Transforms Meetings:...

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2025/12/12

Here are three big questions that Misha Glouberman asks in the quest for better change gatherings:What if the way you’re structuring your events is stopping the very change you want to create? How might things shift if you assumed everyone involved was a competent adult? And are your “best practices” actually working against your goals? Misha Glouberman is a master of human dynamics and group design — a facilitator who’s spent decades helping people run better meetings,

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30:26

What Project Management Must Be Today: Antonio...

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2025/12/10

Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez: Are your projects actually shaping your future? Is your team a true team — or just a group of people in meetings? And what if success isn’t about deadlines at all? Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez, author of Powered by Projects and one of the world’s leading voices in project management, argues that most organizations are running too many projects — and mistaking motion for

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31:08

Are You Influencing Without Knowing It? Vanessa Bohns

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2025/12/03

Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Vanessa Bohns:Are you overlooking the influence you already have? What if social proof beats every logical argument? Could your smallest comments be shaping culture the most? Vanessa Bohns, professor of organizational behavior at Cornell and author of You Have More Influence Than You Think, has spent two decades studying how influence actually works — not in theory, but in the everyday reality of

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35:12

Why You Build Belonging Before Belief: Hahrie Han

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2025/11/26

Here are three big insights that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Hahrie Han:Are you creating value or just convenience?; Does belonging come before belief in your organization?; and Are you building agency or just compliance? Hahrie Han, political scientist at Johns Hopkins University and author of How Organizations Develop Activists and Undivided, has spent her career studying how people build power that lasts. She brings a sharp, human perspective on what

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22:36

Campfires Not Stadiums: Building Belonging: Charles Vogl

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2025/11/19

Here are three big insights that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Charles Vogl: Leadership maturity means rejecting the “Superman” myth of doing it all alone; Real change requires creating spaces where the rules are rewritten; and Belonging — and transformation — scale through small, steady “campfire” gatherings, not grand events. Charles Vogl, author of The Art of Community, has spent his career helping leaders move from heroic independence to interdependent

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29:59

Common Mistakes in Leading Transformational Change:...

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2025/11/14

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Dr. Linda Ackerman Anderson:What if change were treated like finance? Are your leaders modelling the change — or just managing it? And what hidden costs are you paying for “too much change, too fast”? For forty-plus years, Linda has studied what actually derails transformational change. Her insights aren’t about tools or templates — they’re about discipline, mindset, and meaning. She shows

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35:45

Are You Pretending Change Has No Cost? Paulo Pisano

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2025/11/12

Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Paulo Pisano: Is complexity masking your real priorities?; What sacrifices are you pretending aren’t happening?; and How are you building protagonist mindsets? Paulo Pisano, CHRO at Booking.com, has spent his career leading transformation in large, global organizations where change is never simple. He brings a grounded perspective on how to simplify without dumbing down, and why leaders need the

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29:53

A Fresh Take on Courage for Change: Dave Ulrich

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2025/11/05

Here are three provocative questions that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Dave Ulrich:Why do so many leaders know what to do in change but fail to actually do it? If change is always messy and iterative, how can leaders set expectations without killing momentum? What does it really take to lead through paradox instead of choosing sides? Most change leaders treat transformation like a neat plan: set the strategy, communicate the vision, and drive execution. Dave

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29:44

Are You Your Own Saboteur? Kirstin Ferguson

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2025/10/29

Here are three provocative questions that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Kirstin Ferguson:Why does character matter more than competence when it comes to inspiring transformation? Do everyday leadership moments shape culture more than big, staged gestures? What happens when leaders ask better questions instead of always giving answers? Kirstin Ferguson, leadership thinker, board director, and author of Blindspotting: How to See What Others Miss, knows the

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28:32

The Hidden Politics of Change Leadership: Dan Pontefract

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2025/10/22

Dan Pontefract’s three big insights on modern change mastery and leading meaningful organizational transformation:Managing up is a critical part of change leadership, and there are smarter ways to do it; Culture isn’t “soft” — it’s the real work of change and can’t be delegated away; and Purpose, balance, and generational shifts are forces shaping how transformation actually succeeds. Dan, formerly CLO at Telus and SAP, didn’t just improve engagement — he shifted it

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16:30

Is Your Exec Team BORED of change? Probably. Kate Lye

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2025/10/17

Here are three provocative questions that emerge from this Change Signal conversation with Kate Lye:Why do executive teams excel at functional expertise but falter at systems thinking? Can CEOs transform their organizations without first transforming themselves? What happens if change leaders never secure permission to call out executive sabotage? For decades, Kate Lye has watched change programs fade into irrelevance, and she knows why. As a performance partner to CEOs, she’s

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