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Change Signal

Michael Bungay Stanier

If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast. Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what

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27:40

Where Should You Intervene? Dr. Leyla Acaroglu

Change Signal ·

2026/03/25

Here are three questions to sharpen your thinking from this Change Signal conversation with Dr. Leyla Acaroglu What are you editing out of your understanding of the problem? Where are you treating a living system like a tidy plan? And what intervention would actually shift the dynamics? Dr. Leyla Acaroglu is a sustainability strategist, systems thinker, and founder of Disrupt Design. Her work sits at the intersection of design, behaviour, and complex systems, helping leaders

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18:20

Does Caring Less Help You Lead Better? Michael Bungay...

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2026/03/18

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Michael Bungay Stanier:What if your success has nothing to do with the outcome? What if you’ve already won before the project is finished? And what if caring less is what makes you more effective? If you lead change inside a large organization, you already know this tension: you’re accountable for results, but you don’t control everything that shapes them. In this solo episode, Michael

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21:13

How to Find the Next Wise Move: David Lancefield

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2026/03/13

Here are three big questions that David Lancefield asks in the quest for modern change mastery:Where are you stuck in one system? What linkage are you overlooking between systems? And what’s your next wise move? David Lancefield, strategist and leadership advisor, argues that all leaders are systems leaders — whether they admit it or not. Real change doesn’t live in a plan or a single silo; it emerges in the messy spaces where systems overlap. He explores five interconnected

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21:45

Be A “Discovery-Driven” Change Leader: Rita McGrath

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2026/03/11

Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Rita McGrath: Are you still treating change as an interruption? Do you know whether you’re facing disruption or just noise? And are you leading with certainty when curiosity is what’s required? In this episode, I talk with Rita McGrath about what senior leaders are getting wrong about change — and what actually helps organizations adapt when the ground won’t stop shifting. Drawing on her work at the

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20:36

The Four Leadership Paradoxes: Michael Bungay Stanier

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2026/03/04

Here are three questions worth exploring from this Change Signal episode: Are you leading change from technique or from who you are? Where are you avoiding the tension that real leadership requires? Can you care deeply about outcomes while letting go of control? If you lead change or transformation inside a large organization, you already know that tools and frameworks only take you so far. In this solo episode, I explore what sits below the waterline of effective change

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32:05

The Environment Is Running the Show: Kristen Berman

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2026/02/25

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Kristen Berman:What if your environment matters more than your intentions? How specific are your behaviours — really? And what structures in your system quietly cancel the autonomy you think you’re giving people? Kristen Berman brings a behavioural scientist’s lens to change, and she makes a simple but unsettling point: most organizations try to shift beliefs when they should be

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29:03

What Really Moves/Changes a System? Helen Bevan

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2026/02/18

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Helen Bevan: Is your belonging actually just assimilation? Are your relationships stronger than your strategy? And what fear is your system quietly running on? Helen Bevan has spent decades leading large-scale transformation inside the NHS, and she brings that rare blend of deep experience and fresh thinking. She makes a compelling case that the real levers of change aren’t the ones we

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53:54

Hard Questions About Change (With Answers). Michael...

Change Signal ·

2026/02/13

Here are three questions that shaped this special Change Signal episode: Where are you pushing on walls instead of leverage points? What is resistance trying to teach you about the system you’re changing? And how small could your next experiment actually be? In this episode, I join Dave Stachowiak and the Coaching for Leaders community for an open Q&A on the messy, human reality of leading change inside complex organizations. I respond to questions from leadership practitioners

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35:05

How to Be Unafraid of Data: Neil Hoyne

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2026/02/11

Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Neil Hoyne: How is data really used in your organization? How much uncertainty can your culture comfortably handle? And what ideas are your people quietly shelving because they don’t think anyone will listen? If you lead change in a large organization, you already know the promise of being “data-driven” often runs into the reality of politics, incentives, and human behaviour. Neil Hoyne — author,

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30:45

How an Engineer Would Map Your Org. Emily Moore

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2026/02/04

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Emily Moore:Who’s missing from your system map? What are you rushing to solve? And what is resistance actually trying to protect? If you lead change in a big organization, you already know the neat diagrams rarely survive contact with reality. Emily Moore — engineer, educator, and longtime industry leader — joins me to explore how systems thinking becomes far more useful when we stop

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28:47

The OARS of Real Engagement. John Anthony

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2026/01/28

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with John Anthony: Are you engaging people before you try to influence them? What resistance are you avoiding that you should be exploring? And how do you know whether you’re dancing with someone… or wrestling? John Anthony joins me to unpack why so many change conversations in large organizations stall, even with experienced leaders at the helm. He draws from motivational interviewing to show

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21:43

My Three Most Powerful Insights about Modern Change...

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2026/01/23

Three questions sit at the heart of this Change Signal episode: How much responsibility for change is owned throughout your organization? How much room is there for more change? How good are your mechanics at change? In this solo anniversary episode of Change Signal, I reflect on a year of conversations, experiments, and learning — and make the case that change management is a tired label for the realities leaders now face. I introduce three core drivers of modern change

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34:05

Change Lessons from Jugaad Innovation. Simone Ahuja

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2026/01/21

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Simone Ahuja: Are you solving the real problem or just the first one? What constraint might actually spark creativity? And who’s missing from the table when you design change? In this episode, Simone Ahuja — innovation strategist, intrapreneurship champion, and longtime student of jugaad — joins me to explore how change really happens inside large, complex organizations. She shows why the

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32:34

How to Clear Your "Head Trash." Charlie Gilkey

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2026/01/14

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Charlie Gilkey: What if success scares you more than failure? Where is your “head trash” quietly derailing your best ideas? And who belongs in your corner so your ambitious projects don’t stall? In this episode, I’m joined by Charlie Gilkey — author, coach, and champion of helping people finish what matters. If you’ve ever found yourself stuck between a big vision and the messy reality of

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29:56

Friction. Good or Bad in Change? Robert Sutton

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2026/01/07

Here are three big ideas that stand out in Bob Sutton’s conversation:leadership is about being a trustee of people’s time friction isn’t the enemy—it’s the signal and power makes you blind to the mess you’ve created. Bob—Stanford professor, author, and organizational psychologist—joins me to explore why good intentions in big organizations often create bureaucratic nightmares. We talk about what happens when leaders chase “efficiency” but forget empathy, and why treating

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33:30

How to Lead With the Plan: Charles Conn

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2025/12/31

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Charles Conn:What’s the smallest experiment you can start today? Where can you loosen control without losing direction? And could your team learn faster if you planned less? Charles Conn — investor, conservationist, and author of The Imperfect Leader — joins me to talk about how great change leaders stop waiting for perfect clarity and start moving through curiosity. He argues that big

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29:06

What “Trust State” Are You In? Rachel Botsman

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2025/12/24

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Rachel Botsman:What kind of trust are you actually building? How much uncertainty can you hold before you grab for control? And when was the last time you slowed down enough to build real trust instead of just speed? Rachel Botsman—Oxford University lecturer, author of How to Trust and Be Trusted, and one of the world’s foremost thinkers on trust—joins me to explore the fragile,

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26:26

Are You Measuring What Matters? Dr. Ryan Brown

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2025/12/17

Here are three provocative questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Dr. Ryan Brown:What are you measuring that doesn’t matter? Where might your data be lying to you? And what if the “immeasurable” parts of change are exactly what count? Ryan’s a behavioral scientist who studies how organizations measure what actually works—especially in complex, human systems of change. We talk about why measurement needs to start with humility—the courage to admit you

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7:24

The Obvious/Elusive Idea That Transforms Meetings:...

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2025/12/12

Here are three big questions that Misha Glouberman asks in the quest for better change gatherings:What if the way you’re structuring your events is stopping the very change you want to create? How might things shift if you assumed everyone involved was a competent adult? And are your “best practices” actually working against your goals? Misha Glouberman is a master of human dynamics and group design — a facilitator who’s spent decades helping people run better meetings,

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30:26

What Project Management Must Be Today: Antonio...

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2025/12/10

Here are three big questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation with Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez: Are your projects actually shaping your future? Is your team a true team — or just a group of people in meetings? And what if success isn’t about deadlines at all? Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez, author of Powered by Projects and one of the world’s leading voices in project management, argues that most organizations are running too many projects — and mistaking motion for

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