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Animal Spirits Podcast

Animal Spirits is a show about markets, life, and investing. Join Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson as they talk about what they"re reading, writing, listening to and watching. Look for new episodes every Wednesday morning. See our disclosures here - https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/

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70:04

There Are Too Many Rich People (EP. 421)

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2025/07/16

On episode 421 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss a nervous stock market rally, U.S. corporate exceptionalism, how the stock market bottoms, the worst decade ever for bonds, rich people who don't feel rich, Apple vs. Meta, Bitcoin's market cap, the upper middle class is getting too crowded, private equity vs. youth sports and more.This episode is sponsored by YCharts and Flat Rock Global. Get 20% off your initial YCharts

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29:43

Talk Your Book: Option Income Is So Hot Right Now

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2025/07/14

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Garrett Paolella, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of NEOS Investments to discuss losing upside to cover downside, surviving bull markets, volatility across indices, fitting these strategies within a portfolio, and much more! Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s

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29:35

I Want To Be An Advisor, What Do I Do?

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/07/12

On this special episode of Animal Spirits at the Morningstar Investment Conference in Chicago, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss best practices on starting a career in the modern world of finance, their own backgrounds on how they arrived at Ritholtz, how to navigate the current state of the industry, the importance of developing your niche, what jobs will (and won't) survive AI, and more! Sign up for The Compound newsletter and never miss out:

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65:22

A 25 Year Bull Market (EP. 420)

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2025/07/09

On episode 420 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss faster recoveries in the stock market, the potential for an even longer bull market, pros and cons of deregulation, zooming out on the dollar, why taxes never rise, a weak jobs market for college grads, life in 1776, making $250k a year and still not feeling rich, the worst housing market in America, $1,000 car payments and more.This episode is sponsored by Cache Financials and Fabric by

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34:19

Talk Your Book: Autocallable Income

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2025/07/07

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Matt Kaufman, Senior Vice President and Head of ETFs at Calamos to discuss the Calamos Autocallable Income ETF (CAIE), a first-of-its-kind fund bringing institutional-style structured notes to the ETF world. They explore what makes CAIE structurally unique compared to traditional autocallable notes, including how its laddered structure offers investors a

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35:33

Talk Your Book: How Public’s Winning the Great Wealth...

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2025/07/05

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Leif Abraham, Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Public to discuss updates in fintech, the brokerage industry, and an evolving investor landscape. Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Irrelevant Investor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to shoot us an email at

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69:14

The Top 10 Risks to the Stock Market (EP. 419)

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/07/02

On episode 419 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss recession hypotheticals, all-time highs in the stock market, the death of the permabear, international outperformance, a crashing dollar, the automatic investing revolution, yield magicians, fast food price inflation, AI vs financial advisors, the potential for a housing market correction and more! This episode is sponsored by Vanguard. Learn more at: https://vgi.vg/3GbOsYM Sign up for The

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33:15

Talk Your Book: What Even Is Infrastructure?

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2025/06/30

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Scott Litman, Portfolio Manager at GCM Grosvenor to discuss types of infrastructure investments, revenue drivers within infrastructure, the risk/return profile for infrastructure investments, thoughts around liquidity, and much more!Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The

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60:57

The Nothing Ever Happens Market (EP. 418)

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/25

On episode 418 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss why investors are ignoring scary headlines, war vs the stock market, a slowdown in the labor market, not every bad thing is a crisis, all stock markets are concentrated, it's getting more expensive to own a car, Mark Zuckerberg is desperate, the stablecoin opportunity set, baby boomers are never selling their houses and more! This episode is sponsored by CBOE and YCharts. To learn more

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29:47

Talk Your Book: Turning Capex Into Cashflow

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/23

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Sean O'Hara, Director at Pacer Financial and President at Pacer ETFs to discuss why free cash flow is important, how the index is constructed, how momentum works, valuations within growth stocks, and much more!Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Irrelevant Investor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel

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79:44

We Have to Talk About Sports Betting (EP. 417)

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/18

On episode 417 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss valuations not mattering, volatility is the new normal, all-time highs in rich people, bubble behavior in AI, gambling is off and running, limit orders on crypto trades, the housing market is not fair, the downside of illiquidity, Michael's email pet peeves and more.This episode is sponsored by Nuveen and Fabric by Gerber Life. Invest like the future is watching. Visit

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34:30

Talk Your Book: Investing in High Yield Munis

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/16

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Steve Hlavin, Portfolio Manager at Nuveen to discuss the muni market structure, the best states for muni bonds, risks around deficits and liquidity, and much more!Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Irrelevant Investor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to shoot us an email at

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72:21

A Bubble is Coming (EP. 416)

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/11

On episode 416 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss the stock market bet of the century, the most interesting market environment ever, positive trends in retirement saving, Europe is outperforming, downturns might be different now, the Fed should cut rates, how to invest in AI, crypto is Tradfi now, private market scrutiny, the most 1990s movie ever and much more!This episode is sponsored by T. Rowe Price. Learn more at:

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30:44

Talk Your Book: Where to Find Higher Dividend Yields

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/09

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Todd Mathias, Head of U.S. Product Strategy & Development at Franklin Templeton to discuss US outperformance vs international, currency headwinds, macro uncertainty in the US, the value factor overseas, and much more! Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Irrelevant Investor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to

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34:11

Talk Your Book: The Joneses Aren't That Happy

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/07

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ speak with Daniel Crosby about his book, The Soul of Wealth.Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Irrelevant Investor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to shoot us an email at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠animalspirits@thecompoundnews.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ with any feedback, questions, recommendations, or ideas for future topics of conversation. Check out the latest

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64:31

Will AI Take All Our Jobs? (EP.415)

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/04

On episode 415 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss why technical analysis matters in a downturn, why stockpicking is so hard, do we need a recession, Jamie Dimon is worried about government bonds, how many millionaires there are, AI deflation vs. government spending inflation, when to worry about government debt, the bull market is self-driving cars, it's finally a buyer's market for housing and much more. This episode is sponsored by YCharts. Get

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30:38

Talk Your Book: Valuation Still Matters

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/06/02

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Scott Blasdell, Portfolio Manager and Don San Jose, Chief Investment Officer of the U.S. Value Team at J.P. Morgan to discuss what value means today, looking for quality within value, why valuation still matters, why the wine business is in trouble, and much more! Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The

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66:26

Most Stocks Suck (EP.414)

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/05/28

On episode 414 of Animal Spirits, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠ discuss long-term bond yields rising, why government debt won't fall, where all the dry powder is coming from, how often you should expect bear markets, a weird time to be rich, $97 salads, why starter homes died, retail bagholders, why everyone takes Social Security early, Tom Cruise and much more!This episode is sponsored by Betterment Advisor Solutions and KraneShares Grow your RIA Your way by visiting:

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49:11

Talk Your Book: Investing in Goldminers

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/05/26

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Imaru Casanova, Portfolio Manager for the active gold and Precious Metals Strategy at VanEck to discuss gold hitting all time highs, gold miners vs gold performance, macro factors investing in gold, demand from central banks, and much more! Learn more at: https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/investments/international-investors-gold-fund-inivx/overview/ Find complete show notes & VanEck's

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31:53

Talk Your Book: The Nasdaq 100 of Crypto

Animal Spirits Podcast ·

2025/05/24

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Samir Kerbage, CIO of Hashdex to discuss price action in 2025, narratives around price action, how the index is constructed, Bitcoin's investment thesis, and much more!Find complete show notes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠A Wealth of Common Sense⁠⁠⁠⁠ Michael Batnick’s ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Irrelevant Investor⁠⁠⁠⁠ Feel free to shoot us an email at ⁠⁠⁠⁠animalspirits@thecompoundnews.com⁠⁠⁠⁠

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