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Refin" It Up

Former WWE referees Brian Hebner and Jimmy Korderas and TNA and OVW Senior Referee Daniel Spencer dive deep into the wrestling business and it’s talent from the view of the 3rd man in the ring

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02:09:17

Refin Rewind: Matthew Rehwoldt

Refin" It Up ·

2025/04/02

This week we take you back to an episode we did on December 4, 2024 when we welcomed current TNA color commentator Matthew Rehwoldt to the show. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter: @jimmykorderasIG: @realjimmykorderasDaniel Spencer Social Media Twitter/IG: @DanielSpencerArtwork by JD Hoop @JDHoop702Music by Downstait and AJ McKay

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01:51:08

Weapon of Sass Destruction

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2025/03/26

Effy is in fact real as he joins us this week on the show. The current GCW Heavyweight Champion talks shop with Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel about starting in the business and continuing to this day to work across the world. Effy is one of the most unique characters in wrestling current; he talks about the creation of the character as well as working with Hootie and the Blowfish. Lastly, Effy finishes talking about the dedication and passion of the GCW fans all over. All this and so much more this

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01:49:08

Refin Rewatch: John Cena vs CM Punk

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2025/03/19

Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel go back in time this week and watch live John Cena vs CM Punk from Money In The Bank 2011 in our Refin Rewatch. We also talk about the John Cena promo from Raw and express some positivity in our Refin Review.CM Punk vs John Cena MITB 2011 Match Linkhttps://www.youtube.com/live/QZb3dfX3cQA?si=1_ubWoG3r1vhHnevRefin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social

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01:56:13

It's All About The Refs

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2025/03/12

It’s time for Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike Chioda this week. Mike joins the show this week to catch up on this past weeks referee work in a special edition of Refin Review. Mike also talks about the John Cena turn, what should main event both nights of Wrestle Mania, and what he is currently doing training referees in Florida. Lastly, Mike shares some great stories from the past with Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG

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02:10:52

We All Have A Herro

Refin" It Up ·

2025/03/05

We all have a hero in our lives; this week we have a hero on the show. We welcome Kal Herro to the show this week. Formally “Fanny Pack Kid” is going through a character evolution but fear not he has a great mind for the business and has many ideas of where he wants his character to go. That mind for the business was taught to him at an early age as he traveled the roads with his father, Dave Herro. Kal goes on to talk about the creation of the “Fannypack Kid”, his first match and training with

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01:44:27

Ask The Refs

Refin" It Up ·

2025/02/26

We left the show up to you this week as we let you ask the refs anything. Before we did that Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel talk about some of the possible storylines leading into Wrestle Mania. We also touch in the rumor of Vince McMahon possibly starting a new wrestling promotion. Refin It Up Social MediaTwitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitupWebsite⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠Brian Hebner Social MediaTwitter/IG @babyhebnerJimmy Korderas Social MediaTwitter: @jimmykorderasIG: @realjimmykorderasDaniel

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02:10:03

The Legend: Earl Hebner

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2025/02/19

The Hall of Famer Earl Hebner joins the show this week to talk shop with Brian, Jimmy, and Daniel. Before Earl was in WWE he was reffing in the NWA and learning a lot from Tommy Young. Earl also goes into depth on how important Dusty Rhodes was on his career. The WWE Hall of Fame is the one thing that has alluded Earl, but he talks about what he would do if he got the phone call and who he would want to induct him. Earl lastly talks about the jobs that Triple H and Shawn Michaels have been

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02:02:06

End All, Be It All

Refin" It Up ·

2025/02/12

Jonny Loquasto is the definition of doing all you can do to learn as much as possible. So when the time comes for you to take the next step up, you can make a splash. In addition to that Jonny talks about how timing is everything; and explains how that has hurt him and more importantly helped him in his career. Jonny additionally talks about how he got into stand up comedy before getting a call from WWE to come to work for them. Through the ups and downs in the company Jonny enjoyed his time

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02:13:11

The OVW Effect in Basham Style

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2025/02/05

It’s time to bash em this week as we welcome in current OVW National Heavyweight Champion Doug Basham. Before heading into his title match this Saturday against Dustin Jackson at “Tough Love” Doug stopped by the show to talk about current wrestling at OVW, WWE and beyond . While in WWE, Doug was challenged by some of the boys and Vince McMahon to make sure certain things didn’t happen during a Tough Enough challenge on Smackdown. He breaks down how it went and how it ultimately ended, in a good

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02:08:19

Somebody Call Your Mama

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2025/01/29

Somebody call your mama and tell her that Ernest “The Cat” Miller is on this week’s episode talking shop with us. The Cat talks about his time with WCW and how Eric Bischoff got him into professional wrestling; leaving martial arts behind temporarly. As he made his way through WCW he became popular and more popular; so much to the point when WWE called years later asking him to come to the company. As one of Vince McMahons favorites The Cat became a fan favorite quickly as well in the WWE.

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02:16:52

The Ref Crew with Marty Elias

Refin" It Up ·

2025/01/22

The refs room is full this week as we welcome our brother in stripes Marty Elias to the show. Brian, Jimmy, Daniel, and Marty talk about the current crop of wrestling referees and what it takes to be a good referee. Marty then goes in to detail about the experience he had working Undertaker versus Shawn Michaels at Wrestle Mania 25. In addition to all this and some great stories; Brian, Daniel, and Jimmy talk about the TNA and WWE partnership as well as some of our thoughts on TNA Genesis from

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02:14:30

The Brian Myers System

Refin" It Up ·

2025/01/15

We welcome the most professional wrestler Brian Myers to the show. The former WWE and TNA Tag Team Champion sits down with us to talk chop about all the many different things he has going on. From working at TNA to training the up and coming wrestlers at Create A Pro to creating some great content on the Major Wrestling Figure Podcast; Brian has certainly made a name for himself. Lastly, Brian finally speaks about what is to come from TNA Wrestling and what a great atmosphere it is. Refin It Up

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02:19:40

First Of The Year Preview

Refin" It Up ·

2025/01/08

In our first episode of 2025 we welcome TNA/OVW Senior Referee Daniel Spencer as an addition to the show. This week we speak about some of the latest news in the pro wrestling world. We also bring back the popular segment “What If” to the show this week to discuss WCW, ECW, and WWE. We lastly answer your questions that you sent in to us!!!Refin It Up Social Media Twitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitup Website ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠ Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG

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01:25:28

Refin Rewind: Lance Storm

Refin" It Up ·

2025/01/01

This week we hit the rewind button and take you back to our episode we had with Lance Storm from September of this year. Refin It Up Social Media Twitter, YOUTUBE, and IG @refinitup Website ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/refinitup⁠⁠ Brian Hebner Social Media Twitter/IG @babyhebner Jimmy Korderas Social Media Twitter: @jimmykorderas IG: @realjimmykorderas Artwork by JD Hoop @JDHoop702 Music by Downstait TRY BLUECHEW FREE WHEN YOU USE OUR PROMO CODE REFIN AT CHECKOUT--JUST PAY $5 SHIPPING.

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02:25:16

In The Clutch With Sarge

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2024/12/24

We get in line this week and salute our guest Sergent Slaughter. The WWE Hall of Fame joins Brian and Jimmy this week to talk about his career. Sarge talks about facing men like Iron Sheik and Pat Patterson in some of the most iconic matches in wrestling history. Furthermore, Sarge goes into great detail on his relationship with Vince McMahon. Lastly, Sarge talks about turning heel and facing Hulk Hogan as an Iraqi sympathizer. All this and so much more this week!!!Refin It Up Social

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02:09:20

The Art of Arda

Refin" It Up ·

2024/12/19

This week’s show is on ice as we welcome from the NHL on ESPN and former WWE Television host, Arda Ocal, to the show this week. Arda’s two passions have always been wrestling and hockey which he goes into detail with Brian and Jimmy. While working on television in Canada, Arda pitched an idea for a post-wrestling show on television. Little did Arda know that the network loved the idea, and then he began to look for hosts. He went directly to Jimmy, and they began a friendship that continues to

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01:45:37

Tackling The Biz

Refin" It Up ·

2024/12/11

We tackle the business this week when Brian and Jimmy break down some of the top wrestling news this week. The passion Brian and Jimmy have for the business shows when they go deep into the state of the referees in AEW in of Refin Review. This weekend is busy for wrestling as WWE presents Saturday Nights Main Event and TNA present Final Resolution; we talk about what we may or may not see. All this and so much more this week!!!Refin It Up Social Media Twitter, YOUTUBE and IG

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02:09:17

A Little Drama with The Drama King

Refin" It Up ·

2024/12/04

It’s all drama this week as we welcome “Drama King” Matthew Rehwoldt to the show. As the color commentator for TNA Wrestling Matthew is teamed with Tom Hannifan and he has done alot for him both at TNA and when they were together at WWE. The transition from an in ring talent to the commentary isn’t something many people can do but Matthew took the opportunity and ran with, and has flourished at it. Matthew breaks down what it took for him to make that transition as well as how much work goes into

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02:00:11

The Cash Keeps Flowing

Refin" It Up ·

2024/11/27

Its time to push all your chips in to the middle and cash out you winnings, because we welcome in the returning Cash Flo to the show this week. Many things have changed since the last time Cash was on the show just after the “Wrestlers” was released on Netflix. Since then Cash auditioned for and got the part as the character of “Big Foot” on the Paramount Plus hit series “Tulsa King” staring Sylvester Stallone. Cash talks about how he landed the role, working with Sylvester Stallone, and how life

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02:06:44

Busted Open: Paul the Producer

Refin" It Up ·

2024/11/20

This week we give flowers to a man that deserves it; we welcome Executive Producer of Busted Open Radio on Sirius XM Paul Erlick to the show. After graduating from Temple University Paul was offered an internship at WWE that he gladly accepted; and as they say the rest is history. Over 14 years later Paul moved to Sirius XM where he began to producer the best wrestling program across the world. Lastly, Paul talks shop about some of the hosts and co hosts of Busted Open, with stories that you must

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