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Messy Social Work

Messy Social Work

Welcome to the Messy Social Work podcast. The hosts are Richard Devine and Tim Fisher.Check out our website here: https://www.relationalactivism.com/

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56:46

How to see the person not the problem

Messy Social Work ·

2025/02/28

Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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49:34

Relationships and 'Spongy boundaries'

Messy Social Work ·

2025/02/21

Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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39:50

What is Relational Activism

Messy Social Work ·

2025/02/13

Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/ Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programme Rich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/ Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/ Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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50:08

Care, Prison and Transformation

Messy Social Work ·

2025/02/07

Opening Discussion: Teaching & Activism Conversation with Lee: Care Experience, Prison, and Activism Lee’s Background: Grew up in care, moving through 28+ placements. Entered the justice system at 17, receiving a 5-year sentenceLee talks about: The Impact of the Fellowship & RetreatReflects on the Justice System & Care ExperienceDescribes the cycle of placement breakdowns leading to further instability.Critiques the justice system for failing to recognize trauma and pro...

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45:24

Navigating conflict in social work

Messy Social Work ·

2025/01/31

Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programmeRich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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53:33

Why parents take drugs and what we can do about it

Messy Social Work ·

2025/01/24

This episode explores the profound complexities of addiction, trauma, and recovery, featuring the deeply personal and inspiring journey of guest Ian Thomas, a social worker and speaker with lived experience of addiction and healing.In this conversation, we cover:Understanding Addiction and TraumaDrawing from Gabor Maté’s In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, the discussion highlights addiction as a response to trauma, rooted in biological, psychological, and social factors. Ian reflects on his perso...

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54:01

Supporting newly qualified social workers

Messy Social Work ·

2025/01/17

In this episode, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine kick off 2025 with reflections on personal and professional goals, recent events, and an inspiring conversation with guest Vicki Shevlin, creator of Social Work Sorted. The discussion explores social work practice, personal growth, and the profession’s challenges. Key Highlights: 1. Personal Reflections and Goals: •Rich emphasizes living an ego-balanced life, inspired by Jam...

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60:44

The courage to be disliked

Messy Social Work ·

2024/12/20

Links:Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programmeRich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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61:22

The use of self in social work

Messy Social Work ·

2024/12/13

In this episode, Tim Fisher and Rich Devine are joined by Becca Carr-Hopkins for a powerful conversation about use of self, attachment theory, and the transformative power of relationships in social work practice. Becca shares her journey into social work, insights on adapting to challenging environments, and how understanding attachment can unlock deeper connections with families. Rich reflects on the profound impact of supervision that centre's emotions and relationships, while B...

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59:57

How to create systemic change

Messy Social Work ·

2024/12/06

Links: Relational Activism: https://www.relationalactivism.com/Rich's BASW Child Protection sessions: https://basw.co.uk/social-work-child-protection-professional-practice-programmeRich Devine's blog: https://richarddevinesocialwork.com/about/Tim Fisher LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timfisher101/Rich Devine LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-devine-181763177/

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66:33

How to assess a parents capacity to change

Messy Social Work ·

2024/11/29

The podcast focuses on two main themes: assessing capacity to change in social work and a parent’s personal journey through the child protection system. Part 1: Assessing Capacity to Change Rich Devine shares insights from his 14 years in social work, focusing on the challenges of evaluating a parent’s capacity to change within child protection contexts. 1. Challenges in Assessing Change: &n...

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53:10

The why, what and how of Family Group Conferences

Messy Social Work ·

2024/11/22

In this episode of Relational Activism in Social Work, hosts Rich Devine and Tim Fisher kick off with a light-hearted discussion about Tim’s potential rebranding as “Timothy,” complete with tweed jackets and tortoiseshell glasses. Join them for this playful start before diving into the core topic: The Why, What, and How of Family Group Conferences. Recorded on a crisp Friday morning, this conversation blends humor, insight, and practical reflections on relational social workTim's article: htt...

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49:15

Small acts that make a big difference as a social worker

Messy Social Work ·

2024/11/13

Tim Fisher and Rich Devine kick off with reflections on culture and connection, inspired by recent experiences, including Rich’s first trip to the theatre to watch Les Misérables. They discuss the profound impact of stories and how creative expressions like theatre offer fresh perspectives on justice, empathy, and the challenges of human connection.The episode’s highlight is a conversation with Renata, a dedicated social worker in East Sussex and the first storyteller in the Friday Story init...

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48:39

Ideas and Practical Solutions for Social Workers in...

Messy Social Work ·

2024/11/08

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48:40

EP.6. Growing up in care, shame and healing

Messy Social Work ·

2024/10/31

In this episode of Relational Activism in Social Work, hosts Tim Fisher and Rich Devine are joined by Terri-Anne Hamer, a care-experienced activist, who shares her powerful journey of overcoming intergenerational challenges and finding her voice within the care community. Terri-Anne reflects on her unique path, discussing her experiences as a third-generation care-experienced individual, her role as a kinship carer for her brother, and the emotional process of understanding her identity. She ...

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44:46

EP.5. Direct Work, Maya Angelou and Black History Month

Messy Social Work ·

2024/10/25

In this episode, Rich kicks things off by admitting his secret fuel: a double-double coffee (that's double strength, double shot!)—the only thing that kept him going through late nights in child protection. He then dives into his approach to direct work with children, sharing insights that go beyond caffeine-fuelled energy. We’re also treated to a voice note from social worker and TEDx speaker, Ian Thomas, who blends personal experience, professional wisdom, academic insight, and a dash of sp...

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54:38

EP.4. How to write analysis in assessments

Messy Social Work ·

2024/10/18

In this episode, Rich and Tim explore the practicalities of analysis. Rich draws on his wealth of experiences and deep dives into analysis. Tim showcases his podcasting skills with an expertly timed musical interlude, which allows Tim and Rich to transition smoothly to talk about the Relational Activism Manifesto. Finally, we say goodbye before concluding with an Eckart Tolle quote—no, wait, we then say goodbye again!

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50:05

EP.3 How to support Kinship Carers

Messy Social Work ·

2024/10/11

In this episode we speak with Team Manager of a Family Placement Team, Toni Mayo. She talked about: - Different types of kindship care arrangements - How LA's can improve their support for Kinship Carers - How Social workers can support Kinship CarersTim shares his experience of attending the Kempe Conference, and learning about the Family Finding Model developed by Kevin Campbell, and finally we touch upon FGC.

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63:58

EP.2. Lived Experience, Kinship Care and FGC's

Messy Social Work ·

2024/10/04

In this episode, we speak to the brilliant and wonderful, Kar-Man. She generously and articulately shares her story and experience of social workers engaging with her. We talk about Kinship Care Week (07th -014th October), referencing the following: https://kinship.org.uk/get-involved/kinship-care-week/https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/championing-kinship-care-national-kinship-care-strategyhttps://issuu.com/coram8/docs/incorporating_what_matters_to_children_into_kinshiFinal...

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44:15

EP. 1. Stories and parental engagement

Messy Social Work ·

2024/09/27

This week Tim Fisher and Rich Devine explore the role of story in social work and how we define parental engagement.

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