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Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom

From Tenacious Change, featuring Tom Klaus and Lamar Roth

"Third Space" is a space where two or more people with differing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. In this podcast two lifelong friends, Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus, carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom features an exploration of how to talk with one another about significant, even

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S2E8 - Perception & Reality

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2024/04/15

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!In this podcast Lamar and Tom tackle the subject of perception and reality. They talk about how one’s perception informs, even creates, their reality and how that can impact one’s credibility in dialogue and conversation. Learn more: Links to items related to the show, for example: What we know: South Carolina's SEC tourney ends with fight, multiple ejections (ESPN)

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S2E7 - April Fools, Technology & Authentic Communication

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2024/04/01

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!Technology can be either a friend or foe in Third Space dialogues. In this show Lamar and Tom pick up on a comment from a listener who felt we were missing an important point in having Third Space dialogues: the role of technology in communication. Today Lamar and Tom explore the ways it can be useful and not so useful in Third Space. Learn more: Here is a mixture of articles (business, personal opinion, and academic) and a video that

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20240318 S2E6 What are First and Second Spaces

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2024/03/18

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!You know that a Third Space is a place of conversation and dialogue where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and respectful inquiry. If this is a Third Space, what does a First and Second space look like? That’s the question Lamar and Tom explore in this episode. What do you think? How does your experience of First and Second space line up with theirs? Ways to Hear and See Getting to Third Space Getting to Third

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S2E5 - Part 2 - Conversation with Ed Shrager

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2024/03/04

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!This is part 2 of our conversation with Ed Shrager. In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk with Ed from his home in London. Ed is a Charity Culture Catalyst who works with charities (nonprofits) in the United Kingdom to help them strengthen their organizational culture. Through resources and facilitation he helps them create more human and humane organizations for employees and their clients. Ed is also the creator The King Prawn, an app to help

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A Conversation with Charity Culture Catalyst Ed...

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2024/02/19

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom!In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk with Ed Shrager from his home in London. Ed is a Charity Culture Catalyst who works with charities (nonprofits) in the United Kingdom to help them strengthen their organizational culture. Through resources and facilitation he helps them create more human and humane organizations for employees and their clients. Ed is also the creator The King Prawn, an app to help people in the workplace build more connected

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S2E3 - Lamar & Tom Talk About Third PLACES

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/02/05

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar & Tom talk about third spaces and third places. explore what and where the third space is and if we just visit or if we reside there. During our interview with Seth Kaplan in the last podcast, he responded to a question about what Tom and I could do to build trust in communities. Seth suggested that it is important to literally share the table with others. Eat meals, drink, and socialize together as a way to build

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S2E2 - A Conversation with Seth Kaplan - Part 2

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2024/02/01

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! This is the second part of a two-part interview with Seth Kaplan, who is the author of a new book titled “Fragile Neighborhoods.” Seth Kaplan is recognized globally for his expertise in “fragile states” and has applied some of his understanding of fragile states to the neighborhoods in which people live. If you haven’t listened to Part 1, we strongly encourage you to do so. You can find it on your favorite podcast platform and a video version

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Meet Lamar, Tom, and Getting to Third Space (Trailer)

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/01/08

Isn't it time you checked us out? Join Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus (two former clergy, former counselors, and still lifelong friends) in this newish podcast on how to talk with one another. Together they explore how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for

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S2E1 - A Conversation with Seth Kaplan-Part 1

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2024/01/08

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! To kick-off Season 2, Lamar & Tom have a special guest. Seth Kaplan is the author of a new book titled “Fragile Neighborhoods.” Seth Kaplan is recognized globally for his expertise in “fragile states.” A “fragile state” is one that has experienced the loss of physical control of its territory or a monopoly on the legitimate use of force; an erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions; an inability to provide reasonable

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S1E6 - Season 1 Wrap Up and Seasons Greetings

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2023/12/06

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! To mark the end of Season 1, Lamar & Tom talk about their lessons learned since they started this podcast adventure. From cameras to microphones to attempts at humor, nothing escapes their consideration. The wrap up this podcast with season’s greetings and stories of an unexpected ingredient in a Chopt salad and a man obsessed with the movie “Titanic.” The podcast will return after January 4th for Season 2. Learn more about the healing of a

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S1E5 - Conversation with Representative Stephen Owens

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2023/11/27

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, Lamar & Tom talk with their first ever guest, Stephen Owens, representing the 74th District in the Kansas House of Representatives. They talk with Steve about the unique challenges facing politicians in a highly charged and divisive environment which can make civil conversations challenging and sometimes even impossible. Learn more about Stephen Owens, representing the 74th District in the Kansas House of

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S1E4 - Five Factors for Civil Conversations & Unusual...

Getting to Third Space with Lamar and Tom ·

2023/11/11

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast Lamar and Tom discuss five factors that contribute to having civil conversations: trust, respect, honesty, reciprocity (or mutuality or shared responsibility), and ownership. See for Yourself! Links for Episode 4: Iowa woman attempts to bring giraffe feces into state: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-odd-giraffe-poop-seized_n_65202924e4b091a3dc2714a0 Wales children’s charity says “thanks but not thanks” to donated sex

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S1E3 - Barriers, Bears, and Gummy Bears

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2023/10/20

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, released on October 21, 2023, Lamar & Tom discuss barriers and guidelines for productive civil conversations. The barriers they consider are internal barriers - those attitudes, ideas, expectations, even beliefs we hold - that may hold us back from engaging in civil conversation with people whose ideas, opinions, experiences, and lives are different from our own. Then they offer four guidelines for overcoming or “checking”

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S1E2 - Noam Chomsky, Exhausted Americans, & Bob the...

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2023/09/26

Welcome to Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom! In this podcast, released on September 26, 2023, they discuss this quote, submitted by a listener, from Noam Chomsky, which appeared in his 1998 book, “The Common Good.” “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum. That gives people the sense of that there is free thinking going on while all the time the presuppositions of the

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S1E1 Introducing Getting to Third Space with Lamar & Tom

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2023/09/13

Join Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus (two former clergy, former counselors, and still lifelong friends after all these years) in this podcast on how to talk with one another. Together they explore how to get to a Third Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a Third Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward,

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