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Black and White and Gold

Carly and Rob Allred

Deep conversations are a whole love language, and we"re going there! Talking about many different topics, from the mundane to the taboo--we"ll make it complicated, we"ll hopefully create a little empathy and decrease judgment of others along the way. blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 29 - Staying Curious - with Brad Kelley

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/03/27

Listen, Robbie is my favorite, but the man is particular about who he talks to. But this Brad Kelly guy? Brad gets mentioned. This conversation was SO fun, with many layers and the journey through Christianity into Hindu practices, and beyond…let’s just say it’s not your typical Farm Boy from Central Washington story…Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other

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Episode 28 - Oh Say, What is Truth?

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/03/20

The word flies around as if we’re all using the same definition…but we’re not. So…let’s talk about the different ways people use the word “truth” and maybe we can be a bit more on the same page in conversation, yes?Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 27 - When the "Shelf" Implodes with Becca Martin

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/03/13

Content warning: This episode discusses infant loss and stillbirth. Please care for yourself accordingly.Join the conversation on Instagram and Substack:https://www.instagram.com/blackandwhiteandgoldhttps://blackandwhiteandgold.substack.comListen to The Bec Effect on iTunes and Spotify:Follow Becca on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/the_beceffecthttps://www.instagram.com/thesevenon7th This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus

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65:14

Episode 26 - Understanding Stages of Faith

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/03/06

Using Brian McLaren’s Stages of Faith from his book Faith After Doubt, we explore some of the intricacies of a faith collective from different stages. We talk about what each stage can look like, the ins- and outs- of several facets, and whether moving into different stages (or attempting to force others into them) is even the goal in the first place.Are the stages of faith a new concept for you? We’d love to discuss them in the chat! Ask any question, and let’s bring a collective conversation to

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Episode 25 - When the Pastor Leaves Church Behind...

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/02/27

Content Warning: typically, we will do our best to keep language to a minimum, but this one we kept all the conversation as it happened. If this is something you’re sensitive to, please take care as necessary, but we would invite you to sit with it and listen if you’re open to it, as there’s much to learn from our discussion. You are loved.Hold up - a podcast season on faith transitions and an opportunity to speak with a pastor who left his own church? Ummm…where do we sign up? This conversation was

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Episode 24 - Potluck Church

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/02/20

What began as a thought exercise one day when I was fed up (pun intended) with making ONE MORE meal (actually, it was two) for ONE MORE activity in order to engage with my church community outside of a worship service turned in to a whole 40+ minute episode. We pull at the idea of Cafeteria Mormons (insert any church here, this is just our personal soup), church potlucks, and how to love the margins instead of vilifying them. Ya know…just like Jesus taught. 😘We’d love to have you join us in a chat

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Episode 23 - Finding God Outside with Nikki Revis

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/02/13

Nikki Revis is a business and energetics coach helping women succeed in all aspects of their lives. She’s tiny, but the woman packs a punch. She was willing to sit with me to talk about her faith journey, being raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and choosing to step away from the church to develop her relationship with God as an adult.I was honored to witness all the different parts she shared here, and hearing about the contemplative journey to where she is now. Everything

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Episode 22 - Why Do People Leave Religion?

Black and White and Gold ·

2025/02/06

Season TWO, friends! This entire season will be weaving in and through the stories of people who have dealt with complicated religious experiences and how they navigated it. In this intro episode, we are setting the stage to help us all be on the same page for these conversations, with a lot of good things to keep in mind, particularly if you’ve never dealt with a faith crisis/transition/deconstruction/expansion/etc personally. This season is one big continual conversation, and we would LOVE to hear

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57:01

Episode 21 - I Think You're Wrong (Part 2 of 2)

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/12/26

We sincerely hope you are enjoying this episode in comfy jammies and are making lovely memories with family and friends. …but if not, we hope you have peace anyway. We love your guts, and we’ll be back with full episodes on Season 2 in early February. More info to come. Book Links to purchase (affiliate links) and link directly to the Pantsuit Politics Substack (but for real…worth a follow).I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth SilversPantsuit PoliticsCrucial

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53:12

Episode 20 - I Think You're Wrong (But I'm Listening...

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/12/19

Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work.I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth SilversPantsuit PoliticsCrucial Conversations - Our next book club book…get a head start! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blackandwhiteandgold.substack.com

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Episode 19 - On What Religion and COVID Taught Us...

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/12/12

It’s hard to overstate the mood swings felt on the journey of this episode. Maybe some of you can relate? Join us as we talk about nuance through the lens of religion, covid, and politics. Here’s to hoping this minefield helps some of you process too. 🤟🏼Come be social with us:instagram.com/blackandwhiteandgoldblackandwhiteandgold.substack.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

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Epidode 18 - On Teen Pregnancy with Amy Christensen...

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/12/05

Many apologies if this is a duplicate post for you…we’re still working out the kinks over here, and *maybe* we figured out the issue? Regardless, this episode is a good one…hope you stay tuned!Growing up in a high-demand religion and teen pregnancy don’t usually mix well. Join us as we talk with Amy and Brenna about how they (and their family!) navigated this unexpected life event. We’ll talk about what it looked like for them, how they and family members handled the news, what NOT to do, what

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Thanksgiving Break

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/11/28

We love your guts. We’re so grateful for you. Enjoy the weekend the best you’re able to, and we will be back with another convo next week. Book Club Deets:We will be meeting Wednesday, December 4, at 7pm through the link here: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZIlceCtpz0rEtELzgKGvJ-qLDL87fhlsXUh#/registrationWe'll be reading I Think You're Wrong, (But I'm Listening) (this is an affiliate link) by Beth Silvers and Sarah Stewart-Holland, and we're excited to create this FREE opportunity to

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Episode 17 - When Holidays Are Hard

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/11/21

Ahhhh…The Holidays, right? It's a beautiful time for gathering as family and friends to celebrate [fill in the blank] day. However, "holidays" are seen through different lenses by each of us. Some holidays may be difficult to process or get-though because of past experiences, perceived missed opportunities, strained relationships, or complicated history.Thanks for reading Black and White and Gold! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work.In today's episode, we meander a bit

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Episode 16 - Being Wrong Feels Like Being Right

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/11/14

Nothing like a volatile political season to bring out the best in everyone…areweright? As social media feels like a literal dumpster fire mixed with the worst in humanity sometimes, we are pulling at the threads of being wrong…and how it feels exactly like being right. We’re pretty sure we’re right about it too. Are you?Show notes:Join us for BOOK CLUB! Register here for our conversation about I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. We will meet via Zoom

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Episode 16 - On Secret Lives and Mormon Wives

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/11/07

The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives has created quiiiiite a stir…mostly among people who are somehow affiliated with the church in their lives. But the opinions? Oof. They’re ALLLL over the place. We chat a bit about that, and then start a discussion with each other about some of the questions being brought up that weren’t directly stated. We would love to hear your thoughts on it, and any of the other commentary that you want to share in our chat thread. Find that here:Links to some of the things we

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Episode 14 - What's More Scary than Talking Politics?

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/10/31

Is there anything scarier that talking about politics? For some, definitely not…so since it’s our last episode before Election Day AND Halloween, it seemed like a fitting thing to jump in to. But we’re gonna do it in a surprisingly neutral way. We will NOT tell you how to vote, but if you need a bit of encouragement on where to go to get helpful information, we’ve gotchu. And regardless of your affiliation, you’re welcome here. You just have to be willing to hold space for other views—that’s

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Episode 13 - On Pregnancy, Miscarriage, and Parenting...

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/10/24

Kelly is BACK! This time, we have an open conversation about pregnancy loss, pregnancy, parenting, and re-parenting ourselves. Trigger warning: We love you and want the best for you! Please only listen if you are in a position to listen to this topic (pregnancy and child loss) from a safe space. BOOK CLUB! Join us for our book club whilst we read I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. Join us for Part 2 on November 20 at 7pm Pacific. Register (for FREE)

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Episode 12 - On Choosing to Partner in Relationships...

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/10/17

Part 3 of our relationship series ends with us saying a bunch of big words, but words that changed the game for us. If things like “differentiation,” “enmeshment,” and “co-create” are new-ish to you, hopefully there’s something good in this listen for you to take to your own relationships. Join the chat, and let’s talk about what we’re learning together!Join us for our Book Club where we discuss I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Beth Silvers and Sarah Stewart Holland. Purchase the book

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57:00

Episode 11 - On Men, Relationships, and Vulnerability...

Black and White and Gold ·

2024/10/10

There’s a lot of discussion about relationships and vulnerability, but it seems that men have a bit of a bad rap in this particular arena. But what does culture AND the women in their lives have to do with it? Let’s chat about whether or not we want men to even BE vulnerable, and if so, how do we encourage it?Join us for our Book Club where we discuss I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening) by Beth Silvers and Sarah Stewart Holland. Purchase the book here,Thanks for reading Black and White and

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