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On Investing

From market moves to the latest economic news, On Investing looks below the surface of the headline data to bring you fresh insights on what"s happening and why—and what the implications are for your portfolio. Hosted by Schwab"s Chief Investment Strategist Liz Ann Sonders and Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones, On Investing is a weekly audio magazine featuring a variety of Schwab experts and special guests sharing their insights on equities, fixed income, macroeconomic issues, and more. Find

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00:26:48

2025 Market Outlook: Fixed Income

On Investing ·

2024/12/20

After you listenRead Cooper Howard's 2025 Municipal Bond Outlook.Read Collin Martin's 2025 Corporate Bond Outlook.Read Kathy Jones's 2025 Treasury Bonds and Fixed Income Outlook.Follow the Schwab Center for Financial Research on X @SchwabResearch.Is the bond market caught between the Federal Reserve's plans to cut interest rates and the risk of higher inflation and federal debt levels? In Part 2 of our 2025 Market Outlook, we focus on the fixed income markets, including corporate and muni

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00:33:24

2025 Market Outlook: U.S. Stocks & Economy & Global...

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2024/12/13

After another year of the bull market, what's in store for stocks in 2025? In this year-end episode, Schwab experts look ahead to consider what investors might expect from the markets in the new year.First, Liz Ann Sonders, Schwab's chief investment strategist, speaks with senior investment strategist Kevin Gordon. Liz Ann and Kevin discuss their perspective on the direction of the U.S. economy and stock market. She and Kevin cover tariffs, immigration, and potential policy changes, among other

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00:28:52

How Do You Build a Bond Portfolio?

On Investing ·

2024/12/06

In this conversation, Kathy Jones talks with Cooper Howard, who is an expert on the topic of municipal bonds. They delve into the intricacies of bond investing, discuss the importance of bonds, exactly how to build a bond portfolio, and the various types of bonds suitable for retirees and other investors. They explore the differences between individual bonds and bond funds, the significance of account types for bond investments, and the bond ladder strategy as a practical approach. The discussion

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00:16:22

Uncertainty Around Future Policy

On Investing ·

2024/11/22

In this week's episode, Liz Ann Sonders, Schwab's chief investment strategist, and Kathy Jones, Schwab's chief fixed income strategist, discuss the current economic landscape, focusing on policy changes in Washington, the implications of tariffs and immigration reform on inflation, and the Federal Reserve's potential moves at their next meeting. They explore the dynamics of the housing market, the uncertainty businesses face due to fluctuating policies, and the impact of global events on market

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00:40:21

(BONUS) From WashingtonWise: Balancing Campaign...

On Investing ·

2024/11/15

In this special bonus episode from WashingtonWise, host Mike Townsend takes an in-depth look at the key policy debates that are coming in 2025 and the difficulties the incoming administration will have turning broad campaign promises into reality on Capitol Hill. Kathy and Liz Ann give their overview of where we stand, a week after the election and the Fed's rate cut. Then, Mike explores how razor-thin majorities in Congress and economic realities may necessitate compromise on four big policy issues

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00:19:35

Navigating Post-Election Market Dynamics

On Investing ·

2024/11/08

In this week's episode, Liz Ann Sonders, Schwab's Chief Investment Strategist, and Kathy Jones, Schwab's Chief Fixed Income Strategist, discuss the immediate market reactions following the recent election, focusing on the equity and bond markets. They explore the implications of potential fiscal policies, the Federal Reserve's upcoming decisions, and the importance of cautious investment strategies in light of uncertainty. The discussion also highlights the significance of economic indicators and

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00:29:57

Our First Podcast Anniversary: Lessons From the Past...

On Investing ·

2024/11/01

In this episode marking the one-year anniversary of the podcast, Liz Ann and Kathy discuss the significant market events and trends they've noted over the past year. They examine the volatility in interest rates, the dynamics of the equity market, and the performance of corporate earnings. The conversation also highlights memorable guests and moments from the podcast, as well as the evolving nature of market analysis. Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann look ahead to next week's election, Fed meeting, and

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00:35:58

Understanding Recent Volatility in the Bond Market

On Investing ·

2024/10/25

In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders discuss several of the latest economic indicators, focusing on inflation, employment, and the housing market. They analyze the current state of the S&P 500®, bond yields, and the implications of global interest rate cuts. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding market rotations and the impact of economic data on investment strategies.Next, Kathy speaks with Collin Martin, director and fixed income strategist at the Schwab Center for

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00:38:25

What Does a Credit Analyst Do?

On Investing ·

2024/10/18

In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders discuss the current state of the bond market and the bull market in equities. They explore the volatility in bond yields, the significance of credit spreads, and the importance of employment and inflation data.This week, Kathy speaks with Carol Spain, managing director and head of credit research for Schwab Asset Management. Kathy and Carol delve into the intricacies of credit analysis, exploring Carol's unique career path, the role of credit

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00:41:35

Current Pros & Cons in the Market (With Paul Hickey)

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2024/10/11

How can the stock market be a hedge against inflation? What are some pros and cons of the current market environment?In this conversation, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders discuss the recent jobs report, which exceeded expectations, and its implications for the economy and Federal Reserve policy. They explore the strength of the labor market, the bond market's reaction, and the importance of consumer spending in driving economic growth. Then, Liz Ann is joined by Paul Hickey, cofounder of Bespoke

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00:25:35

Making Sense of the Current Economic Cycle

On Investing ·

2024/10/04

In this episode, Liz Ann and Kathy discuss the unique characteristics of the current economic cycle, emphasizing its differences from historical cycles. They explore the implications of geopolitical events on market behavior, the Fed's potential reactions to inflationary pressures, and the significance of historical Fed cycles in understanding market trends. Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann offer the outlook for next week's economic data and indicators.You can read Liz Ann's articles on historical

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00:38:20

Under-the-Surface Employment Indicators to Watch...

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2024/09/27

In this episode, Kathy and Liz Ann open by discussing the implications of the recent rate cut by the Federal Reserve, focusing on the labor market and upcoming economic indicators. They explore how the rate cut may affect various economic sectors, including borrowing rates and consumer spending. They also highlight the importance of under-the-surface labor market data in predicting future Fed actions.Liz Ann Sonders, Schwab's Chief Investment Strategist, interviews Doug Ramsey, Chief Investment

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00:31:29

What the Fed Rate Cut Means (With Claudia Sahm)

On Investing ·

2024/09/20

With the Federal Reserve cutting rates by 50 basis points at its September meeting, what are the implications for the bond market and the economy? In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders analyze the market's reaction to the rate cut, the balance between panic and greed in investment strategies, and the upcoming economic indicators that could influence market movements. Their discussion highlights the importance of understanding labor market trends and consumer sentiment in the context of

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00:27:25

Before the Rate Cut, Our View of the Markets

On Investing ·

2024/09/13

In this episode, Kathy and Liz Ann follow up on the release of last week's unemployment numbers and the reaction of the stock market to the jobs report. The expectation is still for a 25-basis-point cut at next week's Fed meeting. The conversation also touches on the un-inversion of the yield curve and its implications for the bond market. This week, Kevin Gordon joins the podcast to discuss equities and sector views. Kevin is a director and senior investment strategist and serves as Liz Ann

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00:23:13

Focus on Labor: The History & Importance of...

On Investing ·

2024/09/06

Why are payroll numbers reported as "nonfarm" jobs? What other jobs are excluded from the unemployment rate? Why is "hours worked" an important recession indicator? For this shorter week, Liz Ann and Kathy discuss various aspects of the labor market and its indicators. They touch on the monthly jobs report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the overall unemployment rate, initial jobless claims, and other key metrics. They also discuss the uniqueness of the current labor market cycle and the

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00:19:32

The Fed at Jackson Hole & Revised Employment Data

On Investing ·

2024/08/23

In this conversation, Kathy and Liz Ann discuss quotes and sayings from industry legends that have resonated with them over the years. You can read Liz Ann's article about her reminiscences in the industry and watch the clip of Marty Zweig calling the crash of ’87 on YouTube. Kathy and Liz Ann also talk about the Federal Reserve's annual conference at Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and why the economic symposium takes place there. Then, they dig into the Bureau of Labor Statistics' benchmark revisions to

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00:34:26

Recent Market Volatility & the Role of Fixed Income

On Investing ·

2024/08/16

Kathy and Liz Ann catch up on recent market volatility, the Fed's next move, and changes in the economic data. There is some debate about whether the Fed should cut by 50 basis points in September or the expected 25 basis points. They also touch on the importance of inflation, the labor market, and global growth in the Fed's decision-making process. Next, Kathy is joined by Matt Hastings, managing director and head of Bond Index Strategies for Schwab Asset Management. He leads the portfolio

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00:36:22

Uncertainty or Optimism: A Unique Economic Cycle...

On Investing ·

2024/07/26

Kathy and Liz Ann discuss recent events in the market, including fluctuations in the equity market, a global tech outage, and the potential for rate cuts by the Fed. They also provide insights for investors, such as focusing on higher-quality small-cap stocks and the importance of rebalancing.Liz Ann interviews Ed Hyman, chairman of Evercore ISI and vice chairman of Evercore overall. They discuss the current economic cycle and its unique characteristics. Ed and Liz Ann touch on topics such as the

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00:32:14

Good News on Inflation & Investment Rules to Live By...

On Investing ·

2024/07/12

Inflation fell in June, and Kathy and Liz Ann discuss the potential implications for the Fed. The markets continue to anxiously await the first rate cut, and speculation around the timing of the cuts dominates market headlines.Liz Ann interviews market veteran Ned Davis. They discuss his start in the business and the formation of Ned Davis Research Group. He explains the concept of 360-degree research, which combines fundamentals, macro, sentiment, technology, and momentum. Davis also shares his

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00:34:06

Potential Rate Cuts and the Path to Sustainable...

On Investing ·

2024/07/05

Kathy and Liz Ann discuss this week's expectations around the upcoming jobs report and its influence on the Fed. Their discussion highlights the importance of full employment and wage growth for the Fed. The conversation also mentions other important metrics like long-term unemployment, part-time versus full-time employment, and hours worked. The recent data on service-sector activity, initial unemployment claims, and continuing claims suggest a weakening job market. Then, Kathy Jones is joined by

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