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On Investing

From market moves to the latest economic news, On Investing looks below the surface of the headline data to bring you fresh insights on what"s happening and why—and what the implications are for your portfolio. Hosted by Schwab"s Chief Investment Strategist Liz Ann Sonders and Chief Fixed Income Strategist Kathy Jones, On Investing is a weekly audio magazine featuring a variety of Schwab experts and special guests sharing their insights on equities, fixed income, macroeconomic issues, and more. Find

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00:25:53

A Career in Investing: Kathy Jones' Parting Thoughts...

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2026/03/06

This episode marks Kathy Jones' farewell as co-host of On Investing. Collin Martin, Schwab's head of fixed income research, takes over as co-host starting on March 20.As Kathy prepares for retirement after a decades-long career in finance, she reflects back on some of the most important lessons she learned throughout her career. She recounts how she started out as a runner at the Chicago Board of Trade before moving into research. Some of her core investing lessons from 50 years in markets include:

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00:41:10

The Fed’s Balancing Act for 2026 (With Claudia Sahm)

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2026/02/27

In this episode, Kathy Jones announces that she will be retiring soon and that Collin Martin, Schwab’s Head of Fixed Income Research, will take over as co-host of On Investing. Liz Ann and Kathy also discuss the latest bout of volatility caused by future concerns around AI. Then, Kathy is joined by Claudia Sahm, former economist for the Federal Reserve, former economist for the White House Council of Economic Advisors, and now chief economist for New Century Advisors. Kathy and Claudia discuss the

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00:29:20

Mixed Signals & Moving Targets

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2026/02/20

What's the state of the economy now? How much of the latest GDP growth is driven by capex? In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the release of the latest Fed minutes, mixed signals on inflation and unemployment, and weakness in the survey data itself. Then, Liz Ann and Kathy are joined by Kevin Gordon, Schwab's head of macro research and strategy. Kevin shares his perspective on the overall backdrop in the context of the latest GDP report from the fourth quarter and the impact

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00:14:37

Jobs Data, Fed Patience & AI’s Next Market Shock

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2026/02/13

In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones cover the latest jobs report and downward revisions to previous data. They also look at the employment numbers for implications on Fed policy and the overall economy. Then, Liz Ann and Kathy discuss recent AI-related headlines that caused some disruption in the financial sector. Liz Ann frames AI adoption in three phases: create, catalyze, and cascade. Finally, they discuss several prudent investment approaches focused on factors and characteristics

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00:47:23

Breadth Is Back: What’s Powering Markets Beneath the...

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2026/02/06

In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the market’s reaction to Kevin Warsh’s nomination for Fed Chair, the potential rationale for lowering interest rates, and the drivers behind recent volatility in precious metals, while highlighting a broadening in market leadership thanks to more widespread earnings strength.Then, Liz Ann is joined by Dennis DeBusschere, President and chief market strategist of 22V Research. They discuss the implications of the declining dollar, the impact of

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00:45:45

Lessons Learned From Market Wizards (With Jack Schwager)

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2026/01/30

First, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the current state of the markets, focusing on the recent Federal Reserve meeting, the reaction of the bond market, and insights from the ongoing earnings season. Then, Kathy Jones is joined by Jack Schwager, author of the bestselling book Market Wizards: Interviews with Top Traders. Jack then discusses a few of the most important lessons he has learned from interviewing elite traders: risk and money management outweigh methodology; flexibility is

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00:24:00

A Week of Whiplash: What’s Behind the Market’s Mood...

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2026/01/23

In this conversation, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the current state of the markets, focusing on the implications of tariffs, global economic influences, and the dynamics of the bond market. They explore evergreen strategies for navigating market volatility, emphasizing the importance of disciplined investment approaches. The discussion also touches on inflation expectations, the Federal Reserve's policies, and insights into the potential risks and opportunities for investors.You can read

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00:20:23

The Latest Threat to Fed Independence

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2026/01/16

This week, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the current state of the Federal Reserve, the bond and equity markets, the challenges facing the housing market, and the ongoing issues with inflation. They explore the implications of a criminal investigation into Fed Chair Jerome Powell, the stability of the bond market amidst political pressures, and the somewhat mixed signals from the equity market. Their discussion also highlights the affordability crisis in the housing market and the Fed's

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00:26:46

The Markets React to Venezuela

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2026/01/09

In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the current state of the markets, focusing on the impact of global events, particularly military actions in Venezuela and how that might affect oil prices and the US economy. They delve into the bond market's response, the influence of retail traders, and the ongoing challenges in the US labor market. The discussion also covers the complexities of Venezuela's potential debt restructuring, the current implications of tariffs on the economy, and

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00:21:47

Closing Thoughts on a Year of Uncertainty

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2025/12/19

In this final episode of 2025, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones reflect on a year marked by uncertainty and volatility in the markets. They discuss the ping-pong nature of policy changes, the resilience of the economy, and the impact of retail traders on market sentiment. Their analysis also touches on the speculation surrounding the next Fed chair and the mixed signals from recent job data. On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show,

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01:00:53

2026 Market Outlook: U.S. Economy, Equities & Fixed...

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2025/12/12

What should investors expect from the U.S. economy next year? What will happen in the equities markets and fixed income markets? On this 2026 Market Outlook episode, Liz Ann Sonders, Schwab's chief investment strategist, speaks with Kevin Gordon, head of macro research. Liz Ann and Kevin discuss their perspective on the direction of the U.S. economy and stock market. She and Kevin cover the K-shaped recovery, inflation trends, the impact of AI on capital expenditure, and the implications of fiscal

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00:23:41

Implications of a New Fed Chair Nominee

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2025/12/05

This week Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the implications of a possible announcement of the next Federal Reserve chair nominee and market reactions to potential interest rate cuts. They also look at the dynamics of global central banks and explore the current state of the stock market, highlighting trends and dispersion among stocks. The discussion also covers upcoming economic data and the significance of next week’s Fed meeting, emphasizing the complexities of managing interest rates in a

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00:39:16

The Confidence Map: Navigating Investor Sentiment...

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2025/11/21

In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders discuss the latest stock market rotations and the Federal Reserve's evolving stance on interest rates.Then, Liz Ann Sonders is joined by Peter Atwater. She and Peter delve into the concept of the Confidence Map, exploring how confidence influences decision-making and risk perception in investing. They discuss the role of sentiment in investment decisions, the impact of social media on market behavior, and the importance of portfolio construction that

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00:30:20

After the Shutdown: Markets, Policy & the Wall of Worry

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2025/11/14

In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders discuss some recent investor' questions involving credit risks, government debt, and the potential for an AI bubble. Then, Mike Townsend, Schwab's Washington-based political analyst, joins the show to discuss the end of the government shutdown. He and Liz Ann and Kathy cover the provisions within the agreement to reopen the government, including the potential extension of subsidies for the Affordable Care Act. They also discuss the upcoming Supreme

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00:17:44

Making Sense of the Economy in a Data Desert

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2025/11/07

In lieu of data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the latest jobs report from ADP. Liz Ann addresses some recent yips in the equity market related to earnings season, and Kathy speculates on what the latest economic data means for the Fed. They also analyze the shift towards sustainable investments and away from "zombie" companies, reflecting market churn and rotation.On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show,

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00:42:36

The Fed’s Balance Sheet Takes Center Stage (With...

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2025/10/31

Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss this week’s Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meeting and the latest interest rate cut. They also analyze some of the details of what is driving the Fed’s decisions in light of the government shutdown.Next, Kathy Jones is joined by David Beckworth. Kathy and David discuss the complexities of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet, the broader implications of monetary policy, and the emerging landscape of stablecoins and central bank digital currencies (CBDCs)

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00:25:02

What’s Causing Jitters in the Credit Markets?

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2025/10/24

This week, Collin Martin sits in for Liz Ann Sonders. Kathy Jones and Collin discuss the upcoming Consumer Price Index (CPI) report and the Federal Reserve's anticipated interest rate cut. They analyze the current state of the credit markets, particularly focusing on recent defaults and the implications for high-yield bonds. The discussion also covers the demand dynamics in private-versus-public credit markets and the potential risks associated with high-yield investments. Finally, they look ahead

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00:44:23

The Role of the Fed in a Shifting Economy (With Pat...

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2025/10/17

This week, Kevin Gordon fills in for Kathy Jones. Liz Ann Sonders and Kevin discuss the recent NABE conference and the current state of the markets in light of the government shutdown and recent tariff announcements. They explore the implications for earnings season, the potential impact of AI on productivity, and the challenges facing the labor market. They also cover the importance of upcoming economic data releases and how relying on alternative data could have potential effects on market trends

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00:17:28

Government Shutdown Drives Reliance on Other Data

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2025/10/10

This week, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the implications of the ongoing government shutdown and the impact on key economic indicators and market data. They analyze the current state of the bond and equity markets, the reliance on alternative data sources in the absence of government data, and the upcoming earnings season. Their conversation highlights the bifurcations in market performance, particularly between larger and smaller companies, and the impact of fiscal policy on global bond

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00:39:26

Surveying the Corporate Credit Landscape (With Joel...

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2025/10/03

In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones begin by discussing the implications of the government shutdown on employment data and the Federal Reserve's dual mandate. They analyze the challenges posed by the potential lack of government data and the reliance on private sector indicators like ADP. Then, Kathy Jones speaks with Joel Levington, who has more than 25 years’ experience in corporate credit research. Kathy and Joel discuss the overall current state of the credit markets, focusing on

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