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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships? On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time. Together we

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50:33

The Subtext: Celebrities Should Stay in Their Lane

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/28

Should celebrities “stay in their lane” when it comes to political or moral matters? Who gets to speak in public, and why do we only object when it makes us uncomfortable?When Mark Ruffalo spoke out at the Golden Globes about American politics, some applauded his honesty while others told him to “stay in his lane.” In this episode, Savannah and Lee unpack why celebrity activism is celebrated by some and condemned by others, exposing the double standards around fame, faith, politics, and who we

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245: Rumman Chowdhury: Why the Real AI Crisis Is...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/26

What if the greatest danger of artificial intelligence isn’t what it might do someday, but the power it already wields today?Social scientist and AI ethics leader Dr. Rumman Chowdhury joins Lee C. Camp to challenge popular narratives about artificial intelligence, arguing that the real story is not superintelligence or apocalypse, but power, incentives, and responsibility. Drawing on her work at Twitter and her nonprofit ⁠Humane Intelligence⁠, Chowdhury explores how systems of surveillance,

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246: Unabridged Interview: Amishi Jha

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/23

This is our unabridged interview with Amishi Jha. Is it possible that for half of our waking life, we are not paying attention to what we’re doing? In today’s fast-paced, technology-driven world, many of us are coming to terms with the fact that our capacity for paying attention is laughably weak. Our work, mental health, and relationships suffer because of it. But what if there was a tried-and-true way to change this, something like “push-ups for your brain?” Neuroscientist Amishi Jha has

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43:19

The Subtext: If You’re Not Terrified, You’re Not...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/21

When fear becomes the price of being “informed,” how do we tell the difference between paying attention and being emotionally hijacked?After a trio of viral Threads posts seem to declare that terror is the only appropriate response to our moment, we dig into how social media turns unprocessed fear into a public spectacle, and why outrage and panic are increasingly treated as signs of intelligence or moral seriousness. Drawing on mental health research, media studies, and theology, we ask whether

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51:48

246: Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain (Best of NSE)

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/19

Is it possible that for half of our waking life, we are not paying attention to what we’re doing?In today’s fast-paced, technology-driven world, many of us are coming to terms with the fact that our capacity for paying attention is laughably weak. Our work, mental health, and relationships suffer because of it. But what if there was a tried-and-true way to change this, something like “push-ups for your brain?” Neuroscientist Amishi Jha has dedicated her career to studying this question, and the

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244: Unabridged Interview: Malcolm Gladwell

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/16

This is our unabridged interview with Malcolm Gladwell.What causes suffering in our society? Intentional evil? Or something less apparent and possibly more unsettling—indifference? In this conversation, master storyteller Malcolm Gladwell and host Lee C. Camp explore the moral power of storytelling in light of Gladwell’s latest Revisionist History series, ⁠⁠The Alabama Murders⁠⁠. What begins as a devastating true crime account of a 1988 murder in northwestern Alabama unfolds into something

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43:38

The Subtext: Secret Episode of Stranger Things

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/14

What do Stranger Things conspiracy theories, failed prophecies, and religious history have in common? A deep human struggle to face disappointment without rewriting reality.After the finale, many Stranger Things fans convinced themselves a secret ninth episode was hiding in plain sight. In this episode, Lee and Savannah use “Conformity Gate” as a surprisingly rich case study in how humans respond to disappointment and unmet expectations. From the Great Disappointment of 1844 to classic research on

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51:28

244: Malcolm Gladwell: What a True Crime Reveals...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/12

What causes suffering in our society? Intentional evil? Or something less apparent and possibly more unsettling—indifference? In this conversation, master storyteller Malcolm Gladwell and host Lee C. Camp explore the moral power of storytelling in light of Gladwell’s latest Revisionist History series, The Alabama Murders. What begins as a devastating true crime account of a 1988 murder in northwestern Alabama unfolds into something far more unsettling: a decades-long moral failure cascade marked

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243: Unabridged Interview: Carlos Whittaker

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/09

This is our unabridged interview with Carlos Whittaker.Carlos Whittaker was spending the equivalent of 100 full days a year on his phone. You might not be far behind. Carlos—an author and social media influencer who has raised millions for charity online—realized he was scrolling his life away. So he tried something drastic. In his book ⁠Reconnected: How 7 Screen-Free Weeks with Monks and Amish Farmers Helped Me Recover the Lost Art of Being Human⁠, he recounts the experiment that changed

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51:09

The Subtext: Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/07

⁠⁠⁠In the first episode of 2026, we are diving into Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery to explore what it reveals about faith, leadership, hypocrisy, presence, and how competing visions of Christianity shape real people and communities.In this episode of The Subtext, we dive beneath the mystery of Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery to explore what the film exposes about faith, church culture, power, and human nature. Through the contrast of Father Jud’s vision for self-giving love and

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52:05

243: Carlos Whittaker: How to Get Off Your Screen and...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/05

Carlos Whittaker was spending the equivalent of 100 full days a year on his phone. You might not be far behind. Carlos—an author and social media influencer who has raised millions for charity online—realized he was scrolling his life away. So he tried something drastic. In his book Reconnected: How 7 Screen-Free Weeks with Monks and Amish Farmers Helped Me Recover the Lost Art of Being Human, he recounts the experiment that changed everything: seven weeks completely unplugged. The results

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242: Unabridged Interview: Charles Duhigg

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/02

This is our unabridged interview with Charles Duhigg.What if the biggest lever to your happiness isn’t found in your big decisions, but in the small, automatic things you do every day? Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist and bestselling author Charles Duhigg joins Lee C. Camp to explore how habits quietly shape our character, our choices, and our capacity for authentic human flourishing. Drawing on Aristotle, neuroscience, and his book ⁠⁠The Power of Habit⁠⁠, Duhigg unpacks the classic

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242: Charles Duhigg: Why Habits Matter More Than You...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/29

What if the biggest lever to your happiness isn’t found in your big decisions, but in the small, automatic things you do every day?Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist and bestselling author Charles Duhigg joins Lee C. Camp to explore how habits quietly shape our character, our choices, and our capacity for authentic human flourishing. Drawing on Aristotle, neuroscience, and his book The Power of Habit, Duhigg unpacks the classic “cue–routine–reward” loop, keystone habits, and why willpower alone so

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241: Unabridged Interview: Sharon McMahon

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/26

This is our unabridged interview with Sharon McMahon.Have you ever wished someone would explain the inner workings of America’s political landscape — without taking sides or fueling the outrage machine? With over 1.3 million Instagram followers, Sharon McMahon, known affectionately as “America’s Government Teacher,” has spent her career doing exactly that. Drawing from her roots in public education, Sharon rose to prominence on social media during the chaotic 2020 election season. Her clear,

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52:32

241: What Stayed With Us: Conversations That Shaped 2025

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/22

Some moments stay with us long after the episode ends. In this special episode, Lee C. Camp and Jakob Lewis revisit the conversations from 2025 that changed them—clips that still echo with courage, tenderness, and the invitation to live well. Key Ideas: Focus on What You Can Do. Sharon McMahon reminds us that while none of us can fix everything, each of us can meaningfully contribute to the common good through small, faithful actions. Reclaim Trust in Your Body. Jen Hatmaker’s story

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240: Unabridged Interview: Munther Isaac

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/19

This is our unabridged interview with Munther Isaac. Imagine you're in charge of pastoring a congregation amidst a war. What does it mean to love your enemies when violence is outside your window, and visceral images of your congregation’s devastation fill your phone? How would you find hope and carry on? Palestinian Lutheran pastor Munther Isaac joins Lee C. Camp from his home in the West Bank to discuss his book Christ in the Rubble: Faith, the Bible, and the Genocide in Gaza. Drawing from

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The Subtext: We Are (Estranged) Family

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/17

Family estrangement is rising, but the cultural story behind it is far more complex than “cutting off toxic people.” In this episode, Savannah and Lee unpack the social, psychological, and technological shifts that quietly reshaped our expectations of family. and why forgiveness, repair, and humility might be the most countercultural practices left.In this episode, Savannah and Lee dig into the cultural forces behind the surge in family estrangement, from postmodern distrust of authority to

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240: Munther Isaac: Palestinian Christian Pastor on...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/15

Imagine you're in charge of pastoring a congregation amidst a war. What does it mean to love your enemies when violence is outside your window, and visceral images of your congregation’s devastation fill your phone? How would you find hope and carry on? Palestinian Lutheran pastor Munther Isaac joins Lee C. Camp from his home in the West Bank to discuss his book Christ in the Rubble: Faith, the Bible, and the Genocide in Gaza. Drawing from his experience shepherding congregations through two years

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239: Unabridged Interview: Jeff Chu

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/12

This is our unabridged interview with Jeff Chu.Change can come in the most unlikely places. For Jeff Chu, he found meaning and purpose in a pile of compost. At the peak of his journalism career — writing for Time and Fast Company, perched 29 floors above Manhattan — Jeff Chu stared out his office window and asked a question he could no longer avoid: “What is this all for?” That moment of vocational and existential reckoning set him on an unexpected journey — one that led to Princeton

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56:51

The Subtext: Your Favorite Musician Isn't Real

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2025/12/10

AI is reshaping the music industry at a breakneck pace. AI musicians are topping charts, landing record deals, and attracting massive corporate investments. What does this mean for artists? How might this challenge us to think about embodiment, creativity, labor, and what it means to actually be human?When AI musicians start topping the music charts, we’re not just talking about technology. We’re deciding what makes art human, what makes labor fair, and what makes a person irreplaceable. AI

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