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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships? On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time. Together we

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248: Unabridged Interview: Curt Thompson

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/13

This is our unabridged interview with Curt Thompson.What if the deepest work of love isn’t finding the right person, but becoming someone who can truly be known? Psychiatrist and author Dr. Curt Thompson joins Lee C. Camp for a Valentine’s Day conversation about desire, shame, and suffering, and how each shapes our capacity for authentic relationships. Drawing from neuroscience, theology, and lived experience, Dr. Curt Thompson invites us to consider not just what we want, but who we are

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The Subtext: Super Bowl Official Playlist

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/11

This week on The Subtext, Lee and Savannah break down the rival Super Bowl halftime shows. From Bad Bunny’s vibrant homage to Puerto Rican culture and global pop influence to an “All American” showcase filled with country anthems and faith imagery, these events turned into a mirror for something much bigger. Beneath the spectacle, they explore what these shows say about who we are, who we think we are, and who gets to define what “America” means.Follow The

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248: Curt Thompson: The Work Beneath Lasting Love

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/09

What if the deepest work of love isn’t finding the right person, but becoming someone who can truly be known?Psychiatrist and author Dr. Curt Thompson joins Lee C. Camp for a Valentine’s Day conversation about desire, shame, and suffering, and how each shapes our capacity for authentic relationships. Drawing from neuroscience, theology, and lived experience, Dr. Curt Thompson invites us to consider not just what we want, but who we are becoming as we pursue it. This episode explores how being

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51:52

The Subtext: Rent Free: All is Fair in Love And...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/06

This episode has been living rent-free in our heads leading up to the Super Bowl, so we're dropping it back in your feed. What does it mean when the Super Bowl Halftime Show has become a front line in the latest culture wars? When Turning Point USA launches an “All-American Halftime Show” to rival Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl performance, it’s more than a musical critique; it’s a signal of a culture war. In this episode, Savannah and Lee unpack why something as ordinary as a halftime show can feel

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247: Unabridged Interview: Judith Moskowitz

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/06

This is our unabridged interview with Judith Moskowitz. Judith Moskowitz didn’t begin her research career to prove people could thrive in the middle of devastating grief. But that’s where her work led. In the 1990s, Moskowitz was part of a research team studying men caring for partners dying of AIDS. As expected, participants described the overwhelming stress and sorrow. But then something unexpected happened: they asked why no one was asking about the good things in their lives. Judith

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Dr. Lee Warren: You’re Not Stuck With the Mind You Have

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/04

You’re not stuck with the mind you have.In this episode of No Small Endeavor, Lee C. Camp speaks with Dr. Lee Warren, neurosurgeon, Iraq War veteran, and author of The Life-Changing Art of Self Brain Surgery, about a hopeful but challenging idea: your mind and your brain are not the same thing. Drawing on neuroscience, faith, and his own experience with trauma and grief, Dr. Warren explores why change is still possible, even when old patterns feel permanent, and what it looks like to reclaim

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The Subtext: Bet on It

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/04

What happens when betting, profit, and addiction blur into everyday life? Sports betting has moved from the margins into everyday life. It is dominating our phones, our sports, and even our teenagers. In this episode, Savannah and Lee unpack how legalized gambling and prediction markets are shaping culture, forming us, and turning everything from sports to politics into a commodity. Things we mentioned in this episode: ⁠Against the Rules Season 5 with Michael Lewis⁠ ⁠ More from Michael

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247: Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/02/02

Judith Moskowitz didn’t begin her research career to prove people could thrive in the middle of devastating grief. But that’s where her work led. In the 1990s, Moskowitz was part of a research team studying men caring for partners dying of AIDS. As expected, participants described the overwhelming stress and sorrow. But then something unexpected happened: they asked why no one was asking about the good things in their lives. Judith Moskowitz has spent decades studying the emotional lives of

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245: Unabridged Interview: Rumman Chowdhury

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/30

This is our unabridged interview with Rumman Chowdhury.What if the greatest danger of artificial intelligence isn’t what it might do someday, but the power it already wields today? Social scientist and AI ethics leader Dr. Rumman Chowdhury joins Lee C. Camp to challenge popular narratives about artificial intelligence, arguing that the real story is not superintelligence or apocalypse, but power, incentives, and responsibility. Drawing on her work at Twitter and her nonprofit Humane

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The Subtext: Celebrities Should Stay in Their Lane

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/28

Should celebrities “stay in their lane” when it comes to political or moral matters? Who gets to speak in public, and why do we only object when it makes us uncomfortable?When Mark Ruffalo spoke out at the Golden Globes about American politics, some applauded his honesty while others told him to “stay in his lane.” In this episode, Savannah and Lee unpack why celebrity activism is celebrated by some and condemned by others, exposing the double standards around fame, faith, politics, and who we

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245: Rumman Chowdhury: Why the Real AI Crisis Is...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/26

What if the greatest danger of artificial intelligence isn’t what it might do someday, but the power it already wields today?Social scientist and AI ethics leader Dr. Rumman Chowdhury joins Lee C. Camp to challenge popular narratives about artificial intelligence, arguing that the real story is not superintelligence or apocalypse, but power, incentives, and responsibility. Drawing on her work at Twitter and her nonprofit ⁠Humane Intelligence⁠, Chowdhury explores how systems of surveillance,

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246: Unabridged Interview: Amishi Jha

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/23

This is our unabridged interview with Amishi Jha. Is it possible that for half of our waking life, we are not paying attention to what we’re doing? In today’s fast-paced, technology-driven world, many of us are coming to terms with the fact that our capacity for paying attention is laughably weak. Our work, mental health, and relationships suffer because of it. But what if there was a tried-and-true way to change this, something like “push-ups for your brain?” Neuroscientist Amishi Jha has

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The Subtext: If You’re Not Terrified, You’re Not...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/21

When fear becomes the price of being “informed,” how do we tell the difference between paying attention and being emotionally hijacked?After a trio of viral Threads posts seem to declare that terror is the only appropriate response to our moment, we dig into how social media turns unprocessed fear into a public spectacle, and why outrage and panic are increasingly treated as signs of intelligence or moral seriousness. Drawing on mental health research, media studies, and theology, we ask whether

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51:48

246: Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain (Best of NSE)

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/19

Is it possible that for half of our waking life, we are not paying attention to what we’re doing?In today’s fast-paced, technology-driven world, many of us are coming to terms with the fact that our capacity for paying attention is laughably weak. Our work, mental health, and relationships suffer because of it. But what if there was a tried-and-true way to change this, something like “push-ups for your brain?” Neuroscientist Amishi Jha has dedicated her career to studying this question, and the

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244: Unabridged Interview: Malcolm Gladwell

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/16

This is our unabridged interview with Malcolm Gladwell.What causes suffering in our society? Intentional evil? Or something less apparent and possibly more unsettling—indifference? In this conversation, master storyteller Malcolm Gladwell and host Lee C. Camp explore the moral power of storytelling in light of Gladwell’s latest Revisionist History series, ⁠⁠The Alabama Murders⁠⁠. What begins as a devastating true crime account of a 1988 murder in northwestern Alabama unfolds into something

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43:38

The Subtext: Secret Episode of Stranger Things

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/14

What do Stranger Things conspiracy theories, failed prophecies, and religious history have in common? A deep human struggle to face disappointment without rewriting reality.After the finale, many Stranger Things fans convinced themselves a secret ninth episode was hiding in plain sight. In this episode, Lee and Savannah use “Conformity Gate” as a surprisingly rich case study in how humans respond to disappointment and unmet expectations. From the Great Disappointment of 1844 to classic research on

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244: Malcolm Gladwell: What a True Crime Reveals...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/12

What causes suffering in our society? Intentional evil? Or something less apparent and possibly more unsettling—indifference? In this conversation, master storyteller Malcolm Gladwell and host Lee C. Camp explore the moral power of storytelling in light of Gladwell’s latest Revisionist History series, The Alabama Murders. What begins as a devastating true crime account of a 1988 murder in northwestern Alabama unfolds into something far more unsettling: a decades-long moral failure cascade marked

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243: Unabridged Interview: Carlos Whittaker

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/09

This is our unabridged interview with Carlos Whittaker.Carlos Whittaker was spending the equivalent of 100 full days a year on his phone. You might not be far behind. Carlos—an author and social media influencer who has raised millions for charity online—realized he was scrolling his life away. So he tried something drastic. In his book ⁠Reconnected: How 7 Screen-Free Weeks with Monks and Amish Farmers Helped Me Recover the Lost Art of Being Human⁠, he recounts the experiment that changed

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The Subtext: Knives Out: Wake Up Dead Man

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/07

⁠⁠⁠In the first episode of 2026, we are diving into Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery to explore what it reveals about faith, leadership, hypocrisy, presence, and how competing visions of Christianity shape real people and communities.In this episode of The Subtext, we dive beneath the mystery of Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery to explore what the film exposes about faith, church culture, power, and human nature. Through the contrast of Father Jud’s vision for self-giving love and

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243: Carlos Whittaker: How to Get Off Your Screen and...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/01/05

Carlos Whittaker was spending the equivalent of 100 full days a year on his phone. You might not be far behind. Carlos—an author and social media influencer who has raised millions for charity online—realized he was scrolling his life away. So he tried something drastic. In his book Reconnected: How 7 Screen-Free Weeks with Monks and Amish Farmers Helped Me Recover the Lost Art of Being Human, he recounts the experiment that changed everything: seven weeks completely unplugged. The results

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