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No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships? On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time. Together we

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282: Kristin Kobes Du Mez: The Secret History of...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/10/05

That "Live, Laugh, Love" sign at Target isn't just decor. It's a theological statement, and it has a 150-year history most of us have never heard.Historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez, author of the New York Times bestseller ⁠Jesus and John Wayne⁠, argues that American Christian women have been formed more by the gift aisle than by the seminary. In her new book, ⁠Live, Laugh, Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made⁠, she traces a 19th-century promise, that submission and

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281: Unabridged Interview: Annie F. Downs

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/10/02

This is our unabridged interview with Annie F. Downs.What's holding you back from your dreams? Annie F. Downs wants to help you diagnose and respond to that question. She says often what’s holding you back is rooted in something that was either stolen, killed, or destroyed. In this conversation, the New York Times bestselling author and Lee talk about her new book, Don't Let That Hold You Back. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Annie F

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The Subtext: How to Leave Your Church - Ask Us...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/30

It’s the first birthday of The Subtext! Savannah and Lee celebrate with an “Ask Us Everything” episode, answering listener questions about Bible translations, music, patriotism, how to leave your church community, and more.Thank you to everyone who made year one of The Subtext special. We love you! Send your AMA questions anytime to us @thesubtextshow on Instagram or to info@nosmallendeavor.com Things we mentioned in this episode: Join us for No Small Endeavor LiveNovember 22 - The

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281: Annie F. Downs: What’s Holding You Back?

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/28

What's holding you back from your dreams? Annie F. Downs wants to help you diagnose and respond to that question. She says often what’s holding you back is rooted in something that was either stolen, killed, or destroyed.In this conversation, the New York Times bestselling author and Lee talk about her new book, ⁠Don't Let That Hold You Back⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Annie F. Downs⁠ Thank you to our sponsors: The Wonder

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280: Unabridged Interview: Marisa Franco

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/25

This is our unabridged interview with Marisa Franco. Attachment theory is trendy right now, and the goal is often the coveted title of "securely attached." If you’re that, then you're always calm, never spiraling, never needing anyone to hold your feelings for you. Psychologist Marisa Franco built her career studying attachment, but when she started to look at the parts of her that weren’t so secure, she began to “approach these parts of myself that I struggle with as these parts are perfect,

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The Subtext: Gen Z’s Speaking Problem, Revisiting...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/23

Turns out, Gen Z is talking less, scrolling more, and forgetting how to be human.This week, Savannah and Lee unpack the surprising decline in everyday conversation and why talking to strangers actually matters. Then a listener’s question prompts them to revisit Nate Bargatze drama. Does calling in vs. calling out work with public figures? And things get spicy when they dive into Meta’s $17 billion child-safety settlement, social media addiction, kids and algorithms, free speech, government

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280: Marisa Franco: Why Secure-ish Beats Perfectly...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/21

Attachment theory is trendy right now, and the goal is often the coveted title of "securely attached." If you’re that, then you're always calm, never spiraling, never needing anyone to hold your feelings for you. Psychologist Marisa Franco built her career studying attachment, but when she started to look at the parts of her that weren’t so secure, she began to “approach these parts of myself that I struggle with as these parts are perfect, too.”Franco is a psychologist and assistant clinical

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279: Unabridged Interview: Steve Cuss

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/18

This is our unabridged interview with Steve Cuss.Anxiety is contagious, and most of us catch it without noticing: from a tense meeting, a hard conversation, a parent, a group chat. After an emergency, an ER doctor pulled a young hospital chaplain aside and gave him some life-changing advice: anytime somebody's heart stops, first take your own pulse. He learned that, in order to help, he needs to first notice what’s going on inside of him. Steve Cuss is a pastor, leadership coach, and author of

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The Subtext: Who Gets to Judge You? Suddenly Amish...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/16

Six 'English' strangers try to go Amish for a month, surfacing big questions about autonomy, conformity, vanity, and discernment.This week we're talking about TLC's Suddenly Amish, a (very scripted) reality show where six outsiders spend a month living in an Amish community to see if they could actually join the church. Lee and Savannah use Suddenly Amish as a foundation for conversations around appearance and vanity, the "if it doesn't affect you, why does it matter" ethic of modern

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279: Steve Cuss: Five False Needs That Are Quietly...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/14

Anxiety is contagious, and most of us catch it without noticing: from a tense meeting, a hard conversation, a parent, a group chat. After an emergency, an ER doctor pulled a young hospital chaplain aside and gave him some life-changing advice: anytime somebody's heart stops, first take your own pulse. He learned that, in order to help, he needs to first notice what’s going on inside of him.Steve Cuss is a pastor, leadership coach, and author of⁠ Managing Leadership Anxiety⁠ and⁠ The Expectation

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278: Unabridged Interview: Michele Norris

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/11

This is our unabridged interview with Michele Norris.As we practice the good life with a bit of rest, we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Cariad’s summer staff pick — Michele Norris: Race, Your Story, 6 Words, Please Send “I wanted to create a vehicle that allowed people to talk about this allegedly toxic topic on their own terms.” - Michele Norris. Could you describe your experience of race in America in just 6 words? That’s the very

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The Subtext: Lindsay Clancy & the Question of Justice

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/09

In this episode, Lee and Savannah talk about the ways Lindsay Clancy’s trial is sparking conversations around mental health, justice, and culpability.This week, we tackle a story listeners have been asking us to cover: the case of Lindsay Clancy, a Massachusetts mother who killed her three children in 2023 after months of worsening psychiatric symptoms and a cocktail of nine prescribed medications. We dig into postpartum psychosis and postpartum depression, why true-crime audiences reach for

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278: Summer Staff Picks: Michele Norris

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/07

As we practice the good life with a bit of rest, we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Cariad’s summer staff pick — Michele Norris: Race, Your Story, 6 Words, Please Send “I wanted to create a vehicle that allowed people to talk about this allegedly toxic topic on their own terms.” - Michele Norris. Could you describe your experience of race in America in just 6 words? That’s the very thing Journalist Michele Norris asked 200 strangers to do

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277: Unabridged Interview: Kristin Neff

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/04

This is our unabridged interview with Kristin Neff.As we practice the good life with a bit of rest, we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Jakob’s summer staff pick — Kristin Neff: The Power of Self Compassion Is high self-esteem crucial to human flourishing or rather a hindrance? “The biggest problem with self-esteem is that it tends to be contingent,” says Kristin Neff. “We only feel good about ourselves when we succeed.” Far too often,

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The Subtext: Flock Cameras, Hank Green, and...

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/09/02

This week, we look at AI purity tests and mass surveillance, then circle back to an ongoing conversation: should social media commentary on people's bodies be off-limits?We're digging into the Hank Green AI backlash and how AI use has become a sort of cultural purity test that nobody can actually pass. Then we break down Flock’s license-plate cameras and whether safety and privacy can coexist at scale. Last, we revisit our Ariana Grande body conversation to sit with the pushback we got, and

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277: Summer Staff Picks: Kristin Neff

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/08/31

As we practice the good life with a bit of rest, we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Jakob’s summer staff pick — Kristin Neff: The Power of Self Compassion Is high self-esteem crucial to human flourishing or rather a hindrance? “The biggest problem with self-esteem is that it tends to be contingent,” says Kristin Neff. “We only feel good about ourselves when we succeed.” Far too often, high self-esteem breeds narcissism, bullying, and

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276: Unabridged Interview: Oliver Burkeman

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/08/28

This is our unabridged interview with Oliver Burkeman.As we practice the good life with a bit of rest, we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Lee’s co-host on The Subtext Savannah’s summer staff pick — Oliver Burkeman. In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life? "The world is bursting with

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The Subtext: The Odyssey Movie Review

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/08/26

Lee and Savannah discuss Christopher Nolan'sOdyssey– both the social media storms that started before it hit theaters, and lessons inside the film itself.Christopher Nolan'sOdysseyis a blockbuster hit, and has caused a few waves in culture. Elon Musk wants his own "historically accurate" AI version, translator Emily Wilson says the film loses the "wily" Odysseus that exists in the original, and a Christian review site suggests it is blasphemous. Savannah and Lee dig into what these reactions

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276: Summer Staff Picks: Oliver Burkeman

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/08/24

As we practice the good life with a bit of rest, we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Lee’s co-host on The Subtext Savannah’s summer staff pick — Oliver Burkeman. In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life? "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare

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275: Unabridged Interview: The Hillbilly Thomists

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp ·

2026/08/21

This is our unabridged interview with the Hillbilly Thomists.As we practice the good life with a bit of rest we asked four of our team members to choose one of their favorite episodes and explain why. Lee’s summer staff pick—The Hillbilly Thomistis: Bourbon, Bluegrass, and The Bible. There aren’t many Billboard-charting bluegrass bands made up entirely of Catholic Dominican Friars, who play their shows clad in white tunics and rosaries. In fact, there is precisely one such band: the Hillbilly

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