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00:56:38

Bitcoin and Beyond EP2: Build on Bitcoin's Hybrid...

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2024/06/05

The trajectory to achieving a "full rollup" on Bitcoin is a gradual process, similar to that of Ethereum rollups gradually implementing fraud proofs/zk technology.Build on Bitcoin (BoB) has taken the approach of building a product (on mainnet now) which resembles more of an hybrid optimistic rollup between Ethereum and Bitcoin L2. They have been quick to market and have built a strong community. Despite the challenges, such as the complexity of building on Bitcoin compared to other

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00:47:24

Bitcoin and Beyond EP1: Citrea's ZK Technical Design...

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2024/06/04

Welcome to the first episode of our Bitcoin and Beyond presentation series. We aim to provide you with technical knowledge about the state of different Bitcoin scaling solutions. Are they sidechains? L2s? True rollups? For the first episode, we're diving into Citrea, a project focused on bringing ZK to Bitcoin with a true rollup design (using Bitcoin for data availability). We sat down with Orkun Kilic, to discuss Bitcoin’s security and ZK. Citrea is designed to use state differences and ZK

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00:28:36

The Future of Modular Execution Layers

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2024/05/30

If you've been following along for sometime, you've likely heard of Fluent as part of our Modular March campaign or in a previous episode.We first met Dino last year, early on in the development of their zkWasm L2, powered by a web assembly virtual machine (for execution). This has long been a part of our modular thesis, so naturally we were extremely interested in their newly launched "Blended execution" idea. In today's video, we set out to understand why blended execution

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00:35:29

Does the integrated thesis have legs?

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2024/05/29

We are huge proponents of the modular thesis as our entire brand is centered around this. We often challenge ideas which we have a shared thesis with as part of the channel, as well as welcome new ideas to the the mix. In today's video we got the chance to understand the idea behind the integrated thesis with Movement Labs and Omni have been pushing forward. While we did spend some times talking about the different terminology, to us that's not the important part. In fact, we want to focus

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00:42:20

Introducing Forma: Celestia's Culture Hub

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2024/05/28

The modular ecosystem is still in its infancy stages. We are at the cusp of an acceleration of sovereign rollups built with Celestia underneath. This idea, while new to many, has been at the root of Celestia's roadmap since inception. In today's video we take you through everything you need to know about sovereign rollups, with a focus on Forma. We discuss how Forma has been carefully designed to leverage the unique properties of sovereign rollups, a key distinction that allows it to

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00:31:47

Programmable IP in the Age of AI

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2024/05/17

The core properties of blockchains (immutability, transparency, trustlessness) are extremely well suited for intellectual property.Intellectual property is defined as: "A category of property that includes intangible creations of the human intellect." In today's episode, we talk with Jason Zhao, founder of Story Protocol. Story Protocol is bringing in a new way IP marketplaces are created onchain, coining the term "Programmable IP" in an effort to set a new standard in how

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00:42:56

What is a declarative blockchain?

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2024/05/16

Blockchains, as we know them today, are imperative. This means, we interact with every application needed to achieve a certain outcome onchain…we care about the process in achieving a specified end result. The intent-centric future aims to flip this model on its head and usher in a different way of building and interacting with decentralized systems. At the heart of this shift is the evolution from imperative to declarative programming in blockchain environments. This transition moves us away

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00:49:08

Where RiscZero Fits in The Modular Thesis

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2024/05/15

We believe in a future of verifiable computation. The modular future cannot exist without zk. After last weeks video asking "Will ZK eat the modular stack?" and realizing its all but guaranteed, we have set out to learn more about how zkVMs and ZK will make an impact. Our focus today centers on how RiscZero utilizes zk proofs and how zkVM works. At the core of RiscZero's mission is the democratization of ZK technology, making it accessible and simpler for everyone. This effort is

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01:12:00

The VC Investment Thesis for Modularity

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2024/05/14

VCs have been getting a lot of hate recently. The era of high FDV, low float launches may be coming to an end soon...or will it? In today's conversation we sat down with Mads Mathiesen, a long-time crypto researcher and now leading research for an elite crypto VC Maven11. He was writing about data availability and Celestia in 2019-2020, before anyone was really paying attention to modularity. We talk about Maven 11's big bets on modularity and why VCs are under fire in the current regime

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00:45:32

Modular Execution & VM Landscape 2024

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2024/05/10

A big part of our modular thesis this year is the need for extremely high TPS blockchains which create a far better user experience, as well as a better dev experience. You may have heard the terms "altVMs or next-gen VMs" come up on X or in other videos of ours when referring to building L2s/rollups not using EVM. This brings us to the heart of today's discussion with Robert Sasu, a core developer for MultiversX with firm opinions about different virtual machines and execution

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00:25:50

Will zk eat the modular stack?

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2024/05/09

Will zk eat the modular stack? Isn’t zk an enhancer for the stack as a whole? Which parts of the stack will be disrupted by zk, and how? Today, we're diving into a thought-provoking interview with Hannes from Equilibrium Labs to get all the answers . Equilibrium Labs specializes in low-level protocol engineering, helping protocols become safer, faster, and more usable. The core idea of "Will ZK Eat the Modular Stack?" revolves around two major trends: modularity and the expansion of

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00:36:40

The Evolution of Crypto Incentives

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2024/05/08

One of our core beliefs is the acceleration of experimentation in crypto. We believe that continuously testing novel incentive designs will lead to better results in the future. That being said, not every mechanism is going to work. Today, we set out to understand what will work in a sustainable way going forward from the perspective of Jordi Alexander. Jordi is the founder of a trading firm Selini capital, an 'Alchemist' at Mantle Network, a podcast host, as well as a champion chess and

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00:52:13

Where Frax Fits In The Modular Thesis

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2024/05/06

The modular thesis is growing week by week. We are seeing the rise of new L2s and appchains happening at a rapidly accelerating pace now. Our second podcast as a team featuring Sam Kazemian from Frax Finance is here. Frax started its journey as a decentralized stablecoin and has expanded significantly to include a broader range of DeFi tools and assets, making their modular L2 more appealing from our POV. The backbone of Frax's operations is its modular L2, Fraxtal, which brings together

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00:44:09

How Celestine Sloths Became The Modular Community Mascot

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2024/05/03

LM 💤 🥱Did you know that Celestia was originally called LazyLedger? The idea behind this laziness stems from Celestia's minimalistic properties. By solely focusing on data availability with minimal smart contracts & execution, Celestia is able to provide cheap and secure data verification while outsourcing execution to other chains. In today's episode, we set out to understand the origin story of not only Celestia, but also the now iconic Celestine Sloth Society NFT collection. The

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00:47:56

Horizontal vs Vertical Scaling Debate

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2024/05/01

Horizontal or vertical scaling...which way, western man? In today's discussion, we're taking a closer look at Nil's strategic approach to blockchain scalability, focusing on the integration of horizontal scaling for Ethereum. We discuss the core idea behind Ethereum as the ultimate arbiter of truth for L2s, ensuring that any layer that claims to be an L2 can verify its activities through Ethereum's data availability and settlement guarantees. We also discuss the state fragmentation

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01:06:59

Where Sovereign Labs Fits In The Modular Thesis

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2024/04/29

The general idea and thesis we share is that we will see 1000s of appchains and the frameworks which are building for that future are in a good spot. In addition, we also believe there will be a ton of zkVMs (as introduced to us by Cem during this video) which will power rollups going forward. This is also part of our "we don't need any more traditional EVM, general purpose L2s" thesis. In today's video, were taking a closer look at Sovereign Labs. Sovereign is a project we've

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00:37:14

Is Ethereum alignment a meme?

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2024/04/26

At what point does ideological alignment affect your technological decision making? The essence of Ethereum alignment involves a commitment to its core principles — decentralization, security, permissionlessness, and scalability. This deep-rooted alignment goes beyond the technical, touching on Ethereum’s broader moral compass, which aims to question and redefine the societal and economic impacts of crypto. As we all know, Vitalik isn't exactly a big fan of memecoins. In today's discussion,

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01:47:24

We Need To Talk About Fraud Proofs with Gabriel...

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2024/04/25

Rollups as we know them today are more centralized than we'd like. Basically, rollups operate using a secure multi-sig and centralized sequencer for transaction batching and ordering. This isn't good for a multitude of reasons, notably censorship resistance. We are trying to build resilient, long-lasting systems in crypto and to do this effectively these systems need to be sufficiently decentralized...or else we are at risk of nation-state intervention. Today, we focus on the critical topic

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00:53:05

Safe Token Launch, EIP 3074, and Technical Updates...

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2024/04/23

Today marks a very special day for many DeFi founders, builders, and power users. Today is the launch of the transferable $SAFE token, for the safe multisig users on Ethereum mainnet. The tokens had to be claimed many months, if not years, ago. Safe has been pioneering the idea of smart accounts and has made many advancements in account abstraction technology. Our discussion with co-founder, Richard Meissner, aims to provide clarity on how these developments could influence the Ethereum ecosystem

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01:00:31

Celestine Sloths, Alloyed Assets, And...

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2024/04/22

The evolution of the modular thesis doesn't go without saying Osmosis and the Cosmos ecosystem. Being the hub of liquidity for the modular ecosystem assets (TIA, DYM, OSMO), Osmosis plays an important role for the space. In today's interview with co-founder Sunny Aggarwal, we discuss the recent rise of Celestine Sloths and how features like the Skip API allows for seamless cross-chain transactions, enabling users to mint NFTs on Stargaze by swapping currencies through Osmosis in a single

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