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System of Systems

Adam Lehrer, Matthew Denicola

All culture is propaganda. Everything you hold dear is connected to that which subjugates you. Deconstruct art, culture, and politics, and attempt to understand the pervasive conformism that has saturated it all. Hosted by Adam Lehrer and Matthew DeNicola patreon.com/systemofsystems safetypropaganda.substack.com x.com/SystemofSystem3 x.com/safetypropagan1 x.com/mattiopattio

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20:14

PREVIEW Welcome to Helltown (W/ Edward Giles and Max...

System of Systems ·

2024/01/29

Conceptual artist, musician, and founding member of iconic NYC power electronics group Final Solution, Edward Giles, joins the Safety Propaganda network. The primary topic is the reissue of Edward's industrial project Helltown Inc on former guest Max Julian Eastman's label. The release not only comes with hours of music, art inserts and otherwise, but a memoir of sorts in which Edward recounts the underground culture of New York of the '80s. Edward and Max discuss the release of Helltown Inc and

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01:01:15

PREVIEW Barney Does it All (W/ Bjarne Melgaard)

System of Systems ·

2024/01/15

Regularly referred to as "The most famous Nordic Artist since Edvard Munch," painter, sculptor, filmmaker and installation artist Bjarne Megaard joins the audiocast to dish on decades in the art world. Topics covered: Bjarne's new film Barney Does it All based on his time as a whore in Sydney, his interview with porno actress Rae Lil Black in the new issue of Richardson Mag, the perpetual antagonism between him at the art world and the cowardice of curators, his former financial backers who fucked

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01:34:36

Poor Greek (W/Zane)

System of Systems ·

2024/01/10

Yorgos Lanthimos has not been a preferred filmmaker of the Safety Propaganda universe. Too self-consciously "weird". Too Letterboxd. His new film Poor Things, starring Emma Stone in a virtuosic performance as a young woman with the brain of an infant, is a comic masterpiece. Based on a story by surrealist Scottish author Alsadair Gray, 'Poor Things' is an absolute delight to watch. Riotously funny. A must-see. Joining us to discuss this massive leap in Lanthimos' artistry, as well as other new

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01:50:13

Kanye Versus the Vultures (w/ Matthew Denicola)

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2023/12/23

Kanye is trying to release a new record, Vultures, with Ty Dolla $ign, and his enemies are refusing to get its samples cleared, leaving the record unreleased. Kanye, of course, isn't staying quiet about what's happening behind the scenes, and treated the world to a 15 minute rant against his many enemies, ranging from LVMH CEO Bernard Arnaut, the Rothschilds, Jay-Z, and Drake among them, as well as the abandonment of the family that has left him adrift. It's powerful stuff, and of course he isn't

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14:02

PREVIEW Life Long Insomniac (W/ Stephen Tunney AKA...

System of Systems ·

2023/12/12

At the end of November, friends of SP Newton Gallery hosted an exhibition of paintings and cartoons by American artist Stephen Tunney. Many of those in attendance likely had no idea that these disorienting, vivid, and fantastical images were made by the same Stephen Tunney behind the indie rock solo project Dogbowl. When Stephen plugged his guitar in to perform some of those songs, the image completed itself. Indeed, Tunney has had a long and fascinating career, from playing guitar with cult band

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01:27:17

Olympian Fall (W/ Laje Amare and William Landry)

System of Systems ·

2023/11/27

We are now a few weeks passed the 2023 Mr. Olympia contest. Bodybuilding seems to have reached its pinnacle, with Phil Heath being the champion who set the standard for what a bodybuilder should look like in the 2010s. Since then, conditioning has gone down hill, no one is getting in shape, and the one guy who does get in shape (Nick Walker) was injured right before the show, tragically. To discuss all of this, Adam brings on music producer and bodybuilding enthusiast Laje Amare and competitive

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01:10:33

Worshipping at the Alter of the Boul God (W/ Boul God...

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2023/11/13

Boul God records is a Philadelphia-based bizarre music label that traffics in all manner of surreal and mind-bending contemporary styles of music. From the cavernous, early Death in June influenced post-punk/neofolk of Gorseddd FM, to the disorienting blend of head fucked techno and garbled BM vocals of Grail Wizard, to the brutal and frightening electronics of Incluse, to the dadaist, Kiwi-influenced fucked guitar pop of Flying Mausoleum , Boul God is less concerned with genre than it is the

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01:14:14

And Usually Just a Syringe (with Conor Tomaka)

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2023/11/06

Artist, musician, academic, and member of legacy American experimental band ONO Conor Tomaka joins the show once more, but with a specific purpose this time around. John Frusciante is already a God-level figure in the oeuvre of Safety Propaganda, but this time we are going back to the virtuoso guitarist of the Chili Peppers and experimental solo artist's infamous and masterful first two albums: Niandra Lades and Usually just a T-Shirt and Smile from the Streets you Hold. Both of these albums were

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01:42:42

Loads All Over Anne Hathaway (w/ Ryan Simon)

System of Systems ·

2023/10/12

Montana's most avant-garde good ol' boy and the editor of the magazine American Vulgaria, Ryan Simón, joins the show to discuss him and Adam's adventures in Los Angeles, Terry Richardson, art history as a history of cooming, and the circumstances and horniness that led to the creation of his magazine. SOUNDTRACK: Home Blitz "Home" Christ Agony "Inceremonial" Aphex Twin "Xtal" Lungfish "Samuel" Charley Patton "Tom Rushen Blues" Duffy Power "Love's Gonna Go" LINKS: American Vulgaria Magazine

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17:48

PREVIEW Crankn Nuts (W/ Dan Baltic)

System of Systems ·

2023/10/04

Dan Baltic, writer and co-host of the New Write podcast, releases his debut novel Nutcrankr for Terrorhouse Press. It is a contemporary novel about masculinity and male delusion; one man's plummet into debasement. Baltic joins the show to discuss the novel, masculinity, cope, writing, classic rock, some other stuff, I can't remember. FULL EPISODE HERE LINKS: Nutcrankr New Write Pod New Write on Twitter: @NewWritePod Dan on Twitter: @baltic_dan Watch Adam's short play, Celebutante Rape

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01:51:53

At the Wall of Transgression: A Whitehouse...

System of Systems ·

2023/09/05

Adam has been re-reading David Keenan's historical biography on the rise of Industrial Music, England's Hidden Riverse, after it was re-published with extended material over the summer. That book primarily looks at the rise and legacies of Coil, Nurse with Wound, and Current 93 (and suspiciously, only passingly mentions Douglas Pearce and Death in June.) There is also, however, a plethora of material dedicated to William Bennett and what led the British artist to create the pioneering power

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43:36

PREVIEW New Millennium Men (w/ Alex Kazemi)

System of Systems ·

2023/08/28

Writer Alex Kazemi wrote his first novel, Your Truly, Brad Sela, back in 2013 when he was only 19-years-old. In a true time capsule of the 2010s, Alex published an excerpt of that manuscript on his Tumblr page, and it exploded. He got 132,000 views and signed a book deal with MTV Books. For whatever reason or another, the book didn't come out when it was planned for. Instead, Alex embarked on several interesting projects in the media: contributing to magazines such as The Observer, Dazed and Autre,

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PREVIEW The Death of a Socerer (W/ Bradford Kessler...

System of Systems ·

2023/08/17

One of the greatest American film artists, William Friedkin, has passed away at the age of 87. The son of Ukrainian Jewish immigrant parents (who fled their country after the antisemitic pogroms of the early 20th Century), Friedkin was a shitty student and a great basketball player until he discovered cinema in the '60s. He then rose from a Hollywood journeyman doing shitty films for studios until it all came together with The French Connection and the greatest horror film of all time in The

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01:44:32

All Along the Lonesome County Highway (W/ Walter Kirn)

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2023/08/11

Celebrated novelist and essayist Walter Kirn, author of works of fiction like Up in the Air and non-fiction such as Lost in the Meritocracy and veteran of major media outlets ranging from GQ to Esquire to Vanity Fair and beyond, has seen his place in the media landscape evolve in the last few years since he was early to recognize the truth about the hysteria driving the Covid "pandemic". Since then, he's written important essays for Compact (where Adam has a monthly column) and started a podcast

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PREVIEW Married Mid (w/ Scott Litts)

System of Systems ·

2023/07/27

Scott Litts is a New York-based writer, linked tangentially to Expat Press who also publishes a literary site called Violence Café. While the reason for this discussion was Scott's excellent piece on the Angelicism01 movie, Film01, we ended up discussing drugs and writing far more. FULL EPISODE Links: Follow Scott on Twitter: @cafeviolenza Scott on Film01 Café Violenza

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01:27:02

Fucked Up in 20 Different Ways (w/ Jack Skelley)

System of Systems ·

2023/07/12

Jack Skelley is a writer and a poet that has been publishing books since the 1980s. His career began in the early '80s in LA when he worked at the Venice-based literary and arts center Beyond Baroque. Beyond Baroque was put on the map by Dennis Cooper who created a scene around it that included late poet and performance artist Bob Flanagan, the late conceptual artist Mike Kelley, the hilarious late poet Ed Smith, Guggenheim Fellowship winning poet Amy Gerstler, painter and novelist Benjamin

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PREVIEW Rapedman (w/ Damen Corrado)

System of Systems ·

2023/07/06

Damen Corrado is a Chicago-based writer and actor with old school links to Adam Parfrey and the broader American underground. In 2019, the late Parfrey's Feral House publishing imprint published a book co-written by Damen and James "Jinx" O'Connor. Entitled Compliments of Chicagohoodz: "A rare, private collection of photos, calling cards, and ephemera serves that analyzes the unique visual language and graphics of Chicago’s gangs, drawing upon decades of interviews, documentation, and collecting of

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02:01:57

Probable Mossad (W/ Thomas Moore and Audrey Szasz)

System of Systems ·

2023/06/28

Writers Audrey Szasz and Thomas Moore have both just released new novels for Philip Best's Amphetamine Sulphate. Audrey's novel is called Counterillumination, a wildly psychedelic collection of prose where agents and counter-agents wage psychological warfare upon one another against an abstract dystopic landscape. It's rather hard to describe so I suggest you just read it. Thomas's new book is Your Dreams – perhaps the author's best exploration of the human need for connection and understanding with

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15:35

(PREVIEW) Ritualistic Humilation (W/ Sven Loven)

System of Systems ·

2023/06/24

Artist Sven Loven joins Adam in his living room where they consume edibles and discuss Sven's new show, 'Humiliation Ritual', at No Gallery in New York. For the exhibition, Sven turned to portraiture and creates a time capsule, or perhaps a capsule of a moment in which time has lost meaning, of the Dimes Square meme. Subjects include: Black Dean Kissick, Art Basel Miami stabber Siyuan Zhao, Reena Spaulings Gallery and Dimes Square spiritual mother Emily Sundblad, Peter Thiel as angel, and more

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01:22:26

Communication Medium (W/ Max Julian Eastman)

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2023/05/25

Max Julian Eastman is a noise musician known for recording music under his own name and with projects like Greathumour and Tantric Death as well as the proprietor of what we consider to be one of the best American noise labels currently in existence. In contra to countless other labels that endlessly put out everything that comes out of "the scene", Max approaches Tribe Tapes with an aesthetic and conceptual theory. There is a general sense of discovery here, with reissues of artists that you

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