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Frank and Stan Chats

Frank Norris and Stan Johnson

Frank Norris and Stan Johnson have been friends since 1995. Both have had successful and lengthy careers in education. Frank was a very senior HMI with Ofsted for 11 years and was the CEO of the Coop Academies Trust for 6 years. Stan was seconded to Ofsted for a year and then returned to headship before working as a senior adviser with Lancashire LA. He has latterly led a successful education consultancy in the North West. Prior to Covid-19, the two gents would meet in Manchester for a pint or two

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Frank and Stan Chat No. 189

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/06/08

Sometimes major news stories have relevance for education and the way they show poor leadership and/or judgement. This week's faux pas was not directly about education but it demonstrated poor judgement and a lack of awareness. John Cosgrove former headteacher, author and freelance writer joins Frank and Stan as they unpick the decision of the PM to miss part of the 80th anniversary of the D-Day landings in Normandy. As usual, we move the chat towards an education scenario and Stan compares the

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40:14

Frank and Stan Chat No. 188

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/05/24

This week the gents are joined by a friend, colleague and keen follower of their weekly chat, Kendra Allen. This is the third time Kendra has been a guest and she never disappoints in being able to draw on considerable experience as a senior leader and adviser to get to the heart of the weekly education news. This week we chat about lecterns, rain, umbrellas, planning (or lack of it) and why did someone not step outside and offer an umbrella to the PM, or least hold one open for him? Stan considers

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41:18

Frank and Stan Chat No. 187

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/05/17

The gents are delighted Aelwyn Pugh, Former HMI, Senior Effectiveness Officer and Head of Music Service decided to return as a guest. His first appearance was in September 2023 and led to comments such as 'at last we get to hear a proper HMI chatting about education' and 'this is what HMI used to be like. Aelwyn gets things moving by explaining how his career covered a wide range of settings and experiences. Frank suggested this made him a strong candidate for HMI. He then goes on to give the reason

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49:32

Frank and Stan Chat No. 186

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/05/11

When Frank and Stan held their first chat in May 2020 we never imagined others would be interested in them. We certainly didn't envisage that eminent thinkers, practitioners and respected colleagues would join us as guests. This week we are delighted welcome back Neil Jurd, author of 'The Leadership Book', former army officer and RMA Sandhurst instructor and now a business leader of a training organisation in leadership development and coaching. Neil has an MA from Cranfield University and a fellow

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44:30

Frank and Stan Chat No. 185

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/05/03

It was a privilege to be joined by Jan Rowe from John Moores University for a chat about ITE and the latest education news. It didn't take long for us all to reflect on the teacher trainer market review and the impact it has had. It is fair to say we found it hard to identify many strengths, if at all. Teacher recruitment numbers remain low and existing providers have had to devote valuable time to the process when all available resources should have been focused on increasing recruitment figures

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2:52

Frank and Stan Chat No 184B

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/04/26

This week the gents are joined by Neil Sheldon, Chair of the Teaching Statistics Trust, Fellow of the RSS and a Chartered Statistician Vice-Chair of the UK Linguistics Olympiad and Member of the Committee for Linguistics in Education. A teacher of pupils aged from 9yrs to 90yrs he's a fascinating and well informed colleague in the way statistics are used in society and particularly in education. Neil kicks off with a reflection on how we were connected through the work of Dr Dennis Sherwood and the

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36:58

Frank and Stan Chat No.184 Part A

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/04/26

This week the gents are joined by Neil Sheldon, Chair of the Teaching Statistics Trust, Fellow of the RSS and a Chartered Statistician Vice-Chair of the UK Linguistics Olympiad and Member of the Committee for Linguistics in Education. A teacher of pupils aged from 9yrs to 90yrs he's a fascinating and well informed colleague in the way statistics are used in society and particularly in education. Neil kicks off with a reflection on how we were connected through the work of Dr Dennis Sherwood and the

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39:34

Frank and Stan Chat No. 183

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/04/19

We are grateful to Adrian Lyons for stepping in when the planned guest was unavailable. Adrian was one of Her Majesty’s Inspectors of Education, one of the most experienced HMI in Ofsted with a national lead for economics, business and enterprise. He regularly led the inspections of secondary schools, primary schools and initial teacher training providers. He led major national surveys such as ‘Getting Ready for Work’ in 2016 and in 2019 was the lead HMI for Ofsted’s research into initial teacher

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32:03

Frank and Stan Chat No. 182

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/04/14

Following a short Easter break the two gents are back this week with an amazing guest. Dr Vic Carr is a Primary headteacher on The Wirral, Reserve Army Officer; Chartered Manager; CollectivEd Senior Fellow; Chartered College of Teaching Fellow; Senior Research Fellow, Centre for Army Leadership; author and TEDx speaker who focuses on leadership and the power of language. She has lectured part time at Master’s degree level, has 3 MAs in Equality and Diversity; Leadership; and Modern War

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32:37

Frank and Stan Chat SPOTLIGHT No.6

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/03/28

The next SPOTLIGHT Edition considers a recent blog written by Mark Innes, Dr Elizabeth Gregory and Dr Lisa Murtagh on the apparent marketisation of professional leadership qualifications. The three academics published a BERA piece to explains the development of national leadership programmes and how they have shifted through the DfE's control into six NPQs provided by nine lead providers. Their blog initially 'focused on job adverts which demonstrated how government policy had enriched a handful of

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37:08

Frank and Stan Chat No. 181

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/03/22

Frank met the amazing Sarah Davies at a conference last September in London. He was impressed by her insight, passion and commitment of Sarah so he reached out and luckily she agreed to be a guest on our weekly Frank and Stan Chat. She explains why Oracy is so important, how it unlocks doors in other areas of learning and is not just an English department issue. She also explains how she found the time to write 'Talking about Tracy' during the various Covid lockdowns. Stan kicks off by questioning

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Frank and Stan Chat SPOTLIGHT No.5

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/03/14

Today Frank and Stan chatted with Ros McMullen and Peter Cockcroft, two colleagues closely involved with Headrest, a support group for senior managers facing significant stress from undertaking their role in education. Headrest explain why they exist on their website https://www.headrestuk.co.uk'Never before has the job of running a school been so challenging, not just for headteachers, but also for CEOs, governors and trustees. As a system-led profession, we need to come together and offer a

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36:04

Frank and Stan Chat No. 180

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/03/14

On the day Ofsted announced the launch of 'The Big Listen' it is timely to have Tracey O'Brien, headteacher and author of the seminal book 'Rethinking Inspection as our guest. The chat covers a broad range of topics. Stan kicks off with the strange news story where apparently a Headteacher was dismissed for slapping her child's wrist while on school premises in front of the designated safeguarding leads (DSL). Tracey then considers the importance of Ofsted's Big Listen and why more emphasis needs to

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45:55

Frank and Stan Chat No. 179

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/03/01

This week the gents chat with two colleagues who appeared on the show in October 2022. Big advocates of the physically active learning movement, Alun Davies and Bryn Llewellyn bring us up to speed with their recent work. The chat also includes a consideration of the leadership approach adopted by James Timpson, of the shoe repair business, which gives significant flexibility to local store managers. The chat then considers the importance of wellbeing and happiness for staff and pupils before moving

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41:38

Frank and Stan Chat No. 178

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/02/16

Every year in the build-up to World Book Day Frank and Stan invite children's author Dan Worsley to be their guest. The chat covers how he creates his ideas, drafts his work, edits and then publishes the successful books. These include the Eric Appleby trilogy and the Impossible Tales collection. As a former primary school teacher Dan appreciates the challenges in encouraging reading and writing. During the chat, he provides ideas for teachers to encourage a fresh approach and also reads from two of

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37:59

Frank and Stan Chat No. 177

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/02/09

This week the two gents are joined by Sam Gibbs, Leader of Curriculum and Development for the Greater Manchester Education Trust. Sam contributed strongly at a recent Forum Strategy event and also published a fascinating analysis of the risks associated with centrally driven training programmes. As she points out in the chat there is a need for professional agency and leadership development programmes need to acknowledge this. Frank develops this theme by referring to a recent blog published by

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36:42

Frank and Stan Chat No. 176

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/02/02

This week Stan gets the chance to chat with a colleague with a vast range of experience in offering supervision support for education staff including senior leaders. Lisa Lea Weston is the founder of Talking Heads Supervision which has provided support to over 1000 schools across the country. If you follow these weekly chats you will know that Stan is a big advocate of supervision support. The chat enables Lisa to explain how supervision is offered and also how it has helped to support personal

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40:42

Frank and Stan Chat No. 175

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/01/26

We were delighted to be put in contact with Sam Fox and Chris Walsh by a previous guest Shaheen Myers. Shaheen sang the praises of their work so we were keen to find out what all of her excitement was about. It turns out to be a new online support programme for PSHE in secondary schools. Sam and Chris explain the concept and where the idea for their work came from. It seems to have started as an attempt to improve young people's awareness of financial matters but quickly morphed into a much wider

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34:47

Frank and Stan Chat No. 174

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/01/19

Sometimes the Frank and Stan Chats connect with guests at just the right time. John Woodhouse, who set up and leads the Safeguarding Network, joined the two gents during a week when Ofsted announced changes to the way it intends to inspect safeguarding, a recent NSPCC report on child abuse was published and the awful events surrounding the death of a two year old focused on child protection arrangements. Nearly all of these issues are covered in the chat along with the developing game of whether you

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34:53

Frank and Stan Chat No. 173

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2024/01/12

For the first edition of the New Year we were delighted to have Dr Ronda Zelezny-Green join us as our guest from sunny Grenada, in Southern Spain. Frank knows Ronda through their work as Board members (Ronda is the chair) of InnovateHer, a not-for-profit organisation committed to ensuring more females join the digital tech industries and ensuring those industries are ready for more females. Ronda is a digital changemaker creating social learning systems to empower Black people, women, people with

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