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PODCAST

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About

Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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45. Cliodhna Ryan: panic attacks on stage

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2022/06/08

Hattie and Rebecca are joined this week by violinist and podcaster Cliodhna Ryan.Delving into the years Cliodhna spent in the busyness of London, Cliodhna talks about her move back to Ireland and the creative projects that sprung from the move. Violinist in the Irish Chamber Orchestra, Cliodhna speaks about the realities of freelance life, as well as her experiences living with panic disorder and injury.Cliodhna has her own podcast, Bittersweet Symphony, in which she speaks with fellow musicians

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44. Olivia Da Costa: the musicians' photographer

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2022/05/17

Welcome back! A while back, we talked with photographer Olivia Da Costa (after our #gifted photoshoot) about her new career as a photographer specialising in musicians' portraits and what's led her to this point. Olivia shares with us her journey through music school and college, through a complex relationship with the cello and music, and into the pandemic when she founded her photography business. It's not often that we see a musician change career paths and still stay firmly rooted in the same

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43. Declan Costello: vocal health and injury

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2022/05/16

Today we are joined by consultant laryngologist, voice disorders specialist and singer Declan Costello!We speak about common vocal injury among singers, the technicalities of his practice, what happens in vocal surgery and whether some injuries are irreversible. Check out DeclanhereDeclan's BiographyMr Costello studied music at St John's College, Cambridge, where he was a choral scholar under Christopher Robinson. He went on to study medicine at Imperial College and undertook his ENT specialist

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42. Rosie Bennet - Part 2 surviving anorexia

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2022/05/13

Trigger warning: eating disorders and mental illnessPart 2: We return to Rosie's story to hear about both the rock bottom and how she moved onwards and upwards past it. We would recommend listening to part 1 if you haven't already (released only a couple of days ago!) as this'll make a lot more sense with the rest of Rosie's story. We feel so incredibly honoured and grateful to Rosie for her time and vulnerability with us, and are so excited to see where Rosie goes in life with her brilliant

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41. Rosie Bennet - Part 1 surviving anorexia

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2022/05/11

Trigger warning: eating disorders and mental illnessPart 1: We are extremely grateful to guitarist Rosie Bennetfor letting us into the nooks and crannies of her life story. We talk about Rosie's musical training and her travels all over the world, and the subsequent dark periods in her life that culminated in a breakdown during her years at music college. The way in which Rosie speaks about her life and her music is so poetic and an absolute joy to listen to, despite the depth and heaviness of her

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40. 10k Q&A

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2022/04/20

We reached 10,000 downloads which we think sounds a lot so we did a celebratory Q&A episode! Admittedly we didn't get as many questions as we'd expected (for some reason we thought number of downloads = number of questions with no effort required ) but we still had a nice chat and an orange san pell on Hattie's bed. Thanks as ever for your support and for your continued listenership, and here's to the next 10k!!Transcript for this episodeFollow us on InstagramAnd TwitterOur websiteGet in touch

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39. Vic Isfryn: pregnancy discrimination

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2022/04/13

Oh hey there again and thanks for joining us for episode 39!I could listen to Vic talk all day, honestly. Today, we present to you our chat about life as a freelance musician parent and Vic's experiences of pregnancy discrimination - a very real but seldom talked about topic. Vic herself is an amazing trumpet player who frequently appears on TV as well as performing to a live audience. She's performed at the BBC Music Awards, Strictly Come Dancing, Britains Got Talent and This Morning, as well as

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38. Rakhi Singh: a new path

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2022/04/07

Today we are thrilled to release our conversation with violinist and co-founder of the Manchester Collective, Rakhi Singh.Speaking with Rakhi was so joyful and restorative. We discuss her life within the Manchester Collective, how they continue to push boundaries and what ‘daring collaborations’ mean. We go on to talk about chamber music and the ways in which we can feel restricted in the definition we have created within classical music.Rakhi suggests a more integrative and whole approach to music

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37. Cara Houghton, CUKSN and Burnout

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2022/03/21

Hattie and Rebecca are joined by the chair of the Conservatoires UK Student Network, Cara Houghton to speak about their Burnout Campaign in collaboration with Healthy Conservatoires, starting this week from 21-26 March. Rebecca and Hattie go on to discuss their own experiences of burnout, the difference between mental illness and burnout and Hattie’s experience living in a convent to get away from musical life! They also go on to speak about Rebecca’s experience with running and leaving running

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36. Jocelyn Lightfoot: identity and grief

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2022/03/18

Wow, what a conversation we had with Jocelyn. We discuss the London Chamber Orchestra's recent-ish decision to drop their dress code, but before we get into that we talk about her life before being appointed the Managing Director of LCO, and now the CEO of Three Worlds Group. Freelance life is a struggle at the best of times, and we are so so grateful to Jocelyn for speaking so powerfully about her experiences and thoughts on the subject. This felt like such an important and energising conversation,

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35. The One Where They Actually Record Everyone in...

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2022/02/23

This episode, Hattie and Becca are joined by BOP* Stuart Beard. They chat (unsurprisingly) about life as a freelance musician, Hattie’s big move to London, the Sunk Cost Fallacy, turning opportunities down and general other chatty topics.Listen wherever you usually get your podcasts, and if you can, please leave us a review and subscribe!*(Boyfriend of the Pod)Transcript of this episodeFollow us on Instagram!And TwitterOur websiteBuy our stickers (What Would Yuja Wear)Or buy us a coffee!Support the

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34. Frances Wilson, The Cross-Eyed Pianist

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2022/02/11

Frances Wilson, publicist and writer/blogger extraordinaire talks to Hattie and Rebecca about her blog and other work, her love of live music, lack of creative motivation in lockdown, and what it's like to get to know the artists behind the music. She is most famed for her wonderful blog, The Cross-Eyed Pianist, and her popular series of written interviews, Meet the Artist, that is about to turn 10 years old! We are incredibly grateful to Frances for her time and her wisdom.p.s apologies for the

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33. Ollie West: depression, anxiety and suicidal...

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2022/01/18

Ollie West is an incredibly talented singer-songwriter, as well as being an avid appreciator of classical music. We speak about his experience with anxiety surrounding traditional music education and about the differences between studying within popular music and classical music.Ollie shares his experiences with anxiety, depression and binge eating disorder. During the pandemic, Ollie's mental health reached crisis point as he began to deal with panic attacks and suicidal thoughts. It can feel easy

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32. December chats - medication, rejections and...

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/12/16

TMDTA hosts Rebecca Toal and Hattie Butterworth discuss their experiences taking psychiatric medication following Dr Alex George's PostYourPill campaign. They talk about the stigma and image around being someone with a mental illness within the classical music world and how important campaigns like this are for normalising people's experiences.They also talk over the Royal Opera House's recent merchandise, featuring Margot Fonteyn's statement of the all-consuming nature of art as a way of life. We

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31. Anil Umer, live at the Royal Academy of Music

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2021/12/08

During our Musicians' Injury Awareness Week, we interviewed Soft Tissue Therapist and Injury Rehabilitation specialist, Anil Umer about his experience of injury, as someone who has both suffered from one personally and treated others. We thank Anil for his openness and his wisdom!Anil is a freelance cellist, Injury Rehabilitation Specialist and Soft Tissue Therapist. He works both privately and in clinic, and has treated professional musicians, dancers and Olympic athletes. Having had to temporarily

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30. Bob Hughes (in full)

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/11/27

Last week was our Musicians' Injury Awareness Week and we were absolutely blown away by all the support and love we received before, during and after it. Included in the week was Becca's interview with the lovely Bob Hughes about his journey will Focal Dystonia. Bob said so many amazing things that couldn't be squeezed into just a 20 minute mini-episode, so we're releasing the whole interview today! Thank you Bob!Born in Wales, Bob studied the Bass trombone from 1976 at the RAM with Harold Nash and

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MIAW 2021 - Angela McCuiston

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/11/21

Welcome to the final episode in the Musicians' Injury Awareness Week monologue series! It's been the most amazing week of discussion, connection and creativity. We are excited to commit to supporting musicians suffering with injury far beyond this week.Flutist and musicians personal trainer Angela McCuiston speaks to us about her journey with an injury, leading her to further research, study and to launching her business, Music Strong, supporting musicians with rehabilitation and prevention through

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MIAW 2021 - Murphy Robertson

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/11/20

It's the inaugural Musicians' Injury Awareness Week, and today's injury story comes from Murphy Robertson. Murphy was studying saxophone at Guildhall School of Music and Drama when she started experiencing chronic pain in her jaw. She talks to us about what happened, and where she went from there.Share your injury stories using the hashtag #MIAW2021 and tag us! The more discussion, the merrier. Follow Murphy on: https://www.instagram.com/rc_alice_/ (@rcalice)Follow us on Instagram:

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MIAW 2021 - Songeun Choi

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/11/19

Songeun Choi talks about her experience with injury from her time at school onwards and how it's affected her ability to play, practise and fulfil commitments. Thank you for your openness and honesty Songeun!Songeun Choi is a soloist and enthusiastic chamber musician. A graduate of the Royal Academy of Music, she studied with William Fong and Diana Ketler. During her studies ,she was supported by scholarships and was awarded DipRAM and the Dorothy Bryant Award. She has performed in venues including

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MIAW 2021 - Bob Hughes

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/11/18

It's the inaugural Musicians' Injury Awareness Week, and today's injury story comes from Bob Hughes. A sufferer of focal dystonia, Bob shares with us what it was like to go through such an experience whilst still working and teaching. He talks about the difficulty in trying to find out what exactly was wrong, his trips to see various dystonia specialists, and the support he received from those around him. Born in Wales, Bob studied the Bass trombone from 1976 at the RAM with Harold

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