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Mind Over Murder

William F. Thomas and Kristin M. Dilley

Listen to Mind Over Murder, the true crime podcast from victim"s advocates Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley. Kristin is a researcher, writer and teacher from Virginia. Bill is an entertainment executive who is also the brother of a murder victim, now living in Connecticut. His sister Cathy Thomas along with her girlfriend Rebecca Dowski, were the first two victims in the still unsolved Colonial Parkway Murders ,which claimed the lives of 8 young people near Williamsburg from 1986 to 1989. They

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42:30

BONUS: L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in...

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2025/06/13

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they meet award winning author and historian Anne Soon Choi to discuss her new book "L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood," which tells the story of one of America's most prominent medical examiners. Dr. Noguchi's outstanding and sometimes controversial work earned him the nickname "Coroner to the Stars." This bonus episode of "mind Over Murder" originally ran on February 17, 2025.L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and

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41:54

NEW: The D B Cooper Vortex (Part 3)

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2025/06/09

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast. Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 3 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.CrimeCon: We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us

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50:01

BONUS: Shaken Baby Syndrome: Controversial Diagnosis...

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2025/06/06

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we discuss the New York Times Magazine article by Pamela Colloff: "He Dialed 911 to Save His Baby. Then His Children Were Taken Away. The controversial medical diagnosis of shaken baby syndrome can send parents to jail. What if the symptoms are caused by something else?" This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on January 20,

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29:33

NEW: Skyjacked with D B Cooper (Part 2)

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2025/06/02

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 2 of 3 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.CrimeCon: We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the

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53:14

BONUS: McMillions: The Most Supersized Fraud in Fast...

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2025/05/29

James Lee Hernandez and Brian Lazarte, writer/producers of "McMillions: The Absolutely True Story of How and Unlikely Pair of FBI Agents Brought Down the Most Supersized Fraud in Fast Food History" join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a great discussion of their true crime series, book and podcasts. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on December 23, 2024.CrimeCon: We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM

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47:00

NEW: Skyjacked with D B Cooper (Part 1)

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2025/05/26

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 1 of 2 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.October 2023 Popular Mechanics

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45:47

BONUS: Unsolved Virginia: The Millenial Viewpoint

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2025/05/22

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Robert Grey, longtime listener to the podcast who attended both Virginia Tech and William and Mary. We review his impressions of the August 2009 murders of Virginia Tech students Heidi Childs and David Metzler, as well as the Colonial Parkway Murders, and their impact on the college community. Can advanced DNA techniques solve the tragic case of two undergrads found shot to death in a place called Caldwell Fields? How has the

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36:03

NEW: The Zodiac Killer with Michael Butterfield (Part 2)

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2025/05/19

Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified? Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved? Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders? This is Part 2 of 2 parts on the Zodiac with

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35:09

BONUS: Help Save the Next Girl (Part 2)

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2025/05/15

Dan Harrington, Gil Harrington and Jane Lillian Vance, founders of "Help Save the Next Girl," join us to discuss the good work of their organization, founded after the brutal murder of Dan and Gil's 20 year old daughter Morgan Harrington in October 2009. We talk about the book that Gil and Jane co-wrote, "Morgan Harrington Murdered Dead and for Good: A Mother's Quest to Find a Serial Killer and Healing," as well as missing persons cases in Virginia, dealing with profound grief, and healing through

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42:39

NEW: The Zodiac Killer with Michael Butterfield (Part 1)

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2025/05/12

Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified? Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved? Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders?Amazon: The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's

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38:24

BONUS: Help Save the Next Girl (Part 1)

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2025/05/09

Dan Harrington, Gil Harrington and Jane Lillian Vance, founders of "Help Save the Next Girl," join us to discuss the good work of their organization, founded after the brutal murder of Dan and Gil's 20 year old daughter Morgan Harrington in October 2009. We talk about the book that Gil and Jane co-wrote, "Morgan Harrington Murdered Dead and for Good: A Mother's Quest to Find a Serial Killer and Healing," as well as missing persons cases in Virginia, dealing with profound grief, and healing through

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29:44

NEW: American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders w...

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2025/05/05

"Mind Over Murder" podcast host Bill Thomas asks retired Virginia State Police Special Agent Danny Plott questions regarding Joe Kenda's "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network. Are Joe Kenda and Danny Plott on the right track to help solve this case of serial murder? This is part 2 of 2 parts of our interview with Danny Plott in the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.American Detective: Colonial Parkway

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52:07

BONUS: The Book of Murder w Prosecutor Matt Murphy

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2025/05/01

Matt Murphy, renowned California prosecutor and now legal analyst for ABC News, joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new "The Book of Murder: A Prosecutors Journey Through Love and Death." In this deep dive into murder and its aftermath, Matt walks readers through some of the most complex and diabolical cases from his career in the Orange County District Attorney's Office. He describes how, despite the work wreaking havoc on his personal life, he ultimately

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33:51

NEW: American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders w...

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2025/04/28

"Mind Over Murder" podcast host Bill Thomas asks retired Virginia State Police Special Agent Danny Plott questions regarding Joe Kenda's "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network. Are Joe Kenda and Danny Plott on the right track to help solve this case of serial murder? This is part 1 of 2 parts of our interview with Danny Plott in the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.American Detective: Colonial Parkway

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41:27

BONUS: Heidi Childs/David Metzler Murders: 15 Years...

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2025/04/26

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley review the August 2009 murders of Virginia Tech students Heidi Childs and David Metzler, still unsolved after 15 years. Can advanced DNA techniques solve this tragic case of two undergrads found shot to death in a place called Caldwell Fields? How has the Virginia Tech community been touched so many times by senseless violence? Where does the Childs/Metzler investigation go from here? This bonus episode of Mind Over Murder originally ran on

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45:41

NEW: Ask Us Anything in American Detective (Part 2)

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2025/04/21

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley reply to an "Ask Us Anything" series of listener questions regarding Joe Kenda's "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network. This is part 1 of our "Ask Us Anything" on the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0EWashingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock

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48:08

BONUS: Dark Tide: Growing Up w/ Ted Bundy

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2025/04/19

Edna Cowell Martin, cousin to serial killer Ted Bundy, joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book, cowritten with Megan Atkinson, "Dark Tide: Growing Up With Ted Bundy." How well do we really know the people around us? What would you do if you learned your family's secrets? Are their truly monsters among us? Join us for a fascinating conversation. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on September 30, 2024."Dark Tide: Growing Up With

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48:15

NEW: Ask Us Anything in American Detective (Part 1)

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2025/04/14

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley reply to an "Ask Us Anything" series of listener questions regarding Joe Kenda's "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0EWashingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock

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41:49

BONUS: That Beast Was Not Me: Five Decades of...

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2025/04/11

Jeffrey Smalldon talks with "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley about his new book, "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Fifty Years of Conversations with Killers." He recounts his many face to face conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, Donald Harvey, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme and many others. This is Part 2 of 2 parts with Jeffrey Smalldon, and this bonus episode originally ran on October 14,

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45:20

NEW: Chowchilla Kidnapping w FBI Profiler Jim Clemente

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2025/04/07

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley meet with former FBI Profiler (and producer and writer) Jim Clemente to discuss the parole process for the 3 men convicted in mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California. The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976. Should the 3 kidnappers have served longer? How was the trauma of the 26 young victims taken into account if at

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