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Radical Sacred

Jenny Misslin and Phillip Dieke

Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted.For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore. Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core

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37:22

The Power of Pilgrimage: An Introduction to Season...

Radical Sacred ·

2024/09/04

Welcome to Season Two of Radical Sacred. This season we'll be exploring pilgrimage.In this kickoff to Season Two, Phil Dieke reflects on his experience of going on a pilgrimage to Northern Ireland with Brian McLaren and Gareth Higgins. Jenny and Phil explore the concept of pilgrimage and its significance in personal and spiritual growth. They discusses the importance of journeying within oneself and the need for intentional exploration and self-discovery. As well as highlighting the role of

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31:30

Father's Day Special

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2024/06/16

On this week’s special episode Phil and Jenny share memories and stories about their dads. Father’s Day can be a mixed bag for so many of us for so many different reasons. If your day feels complicated or heavy with grief you are not alone! We invite you to find joy where it can be found, to grieve however you may need to, and to do one small thing today that makes you feel connected to yourself, to God, and to those you love. Connect with us on instagram at Radical Sacred to let us know your

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40:48

A Time to Reflect...

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2024/05/29

Thank you for hanging with us for this first season! Phil and Jenny reflect on the last 25 episodes of Radical Sacred! Did you have a favorite episode or guest? We’d love to hear from you! Connect with us on Instagram.As we look forward to having some time to rest and reflect this summer this episode features conversations about where we’re finding hope and inspiration in podcasts, music, and books. If you love very random playlists that include music from Zach Bryan to Outkast to Ani Difranco to

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53:56

Transformation over Information: A Discussion on...

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2024/05/22

There is so much information circling around what is taking place in Palestine/Israel. This episode is not a history lesson on the founding of Israel, the displacement of Palestinians, nor the current military occupation taking place in Gaza. There have been many books, documentaries, podcasts, etc created to do that. This episode is an invitation to join us in our journey as we wrestle to make sense of geo-politics and how religion is so often used to divide us, rather than bring us together.As

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71:59

Exploring the Complexities of Grief with Hillary Owen

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2024/05/15

"The only time you can do grief wrong is when you judge yourself for grieving."Note: this episode about grief is heavy and it is long. If you are not in a space to address your grief, maybe save this one for later.Shout out to Hillary Owen of Driftwood Healing for joining us in this personal conversation all about grief. This episode opens with a gorgeous poem by Ada Limon - from her book Bright Dead Things - Tossing Around the AshesHillary, Phil, and Jenny have all had different dealings with grief

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46:08

Purity Culture... Again (Because it's that bad!)

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2024/05/08

We’re back with Jessica Brazzeal of The Haven Wellness Center for her third visit! We heard from so many of you after our episode on purity culture we knew had to expand the conversation! If you missed our previous episode on purity culture start here. We discuss how purity culture affected us individually and collectively, the orgasm gap that exists in the evangelical world, resources and more. We also dive into the etymology of the word pastor. What is at the root of the word and how we can tell

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64:00

Attachment Styles with Hillary Owen

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2024/05/01

In this week's episode Jenny and Phil are joined by Hillary Owen to discuss attachment theory and attachment styles. Hillary, a licensed mental health professional, shares her expertise on the topic and explains the four attachment styles: secure, disorganized, anxious, and avoidant. They also explore the concept of attachment-focused EMDR therapy and how it can help individuals heal from attachment wounds. In this conversation, Hillary Owen discusses the importance of understanding attachment

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59:42

Queer Theology and UMC General Conference with Jenny...

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2024/04/24

In this episode of Radical Sacred, Jenny and Phil are joined by Jenny Bates a United Methodist in North Texas who is finishing up graduate school at Brite Divinity and recently was approved for Commissioning as a clergyperson in the North Texas Conference of the United Methodist Church.They discuss how Jenny used the Radical Sacred episode on the Sacred Masculine as a resource for a pub theology she hosted, queer theology, and the United Methodist Church General Conference that officially started

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Transcend and Include with Marcus Jones

Radical Sacred ·

2024/04/17

In this week's episode Phil and Jenny are joined by Marcus Jones, Director of the Wesley Foundation at the University of Texas at Arlington. After referencing this concept in many episodes, Phil and Jenny invited Marcus to discuss this idea of Transcend and Include. They reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the various faith traditions they have been a part of, while also emphasizing the importance of deep spirituality and spiritual disciplines in their lives. Marcus shares how he

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60:49

Tattooing as Sacred Practice with Stephanie Adelina

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2024/04/10

What do a pastor, a spiritual director, and a tattoo artist have in common? On the surface, perhaps not a ton. And yet, as we explore the topic of Tattooing and Presence we realize that when done well- pastors, spiritual directors, and tattoo artists all give their presence to people in order to create a deeper connection between each other and self. At their best, all should be people that create spaces that are safe and healing. In this episode Phil and Jenny visit with Stephanie Adelina, the

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Purity Culture with Jessica Brazeal

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2024/04/03

In this week's episode Jenny and Phil welcome Jessica Brazeal back to the podcast as the first time repeat guest. Jessica joins the conversation to discuss a sermon that recently went viral from a megachurch pastor in Rockwall, TX. Jenny, being from Rockwall, was deeply frustrated by the misogynistic words of this sermon and immediately emailed Phil and Jessica to set up a time to discuss. In the episode they discuss what purity culture is, how it impacted their adolescence, how it continues to harm

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46:53

Enneagram - Dependent Stance (1's, 2's, and 6's)

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2024/03/27

On our third and final Enneagram episode Phil and Jenny chat all about the Dependent Stance.1s (The Perfectionist), 2s (The Helper), and 6s (The Skeptics/Loyalist) make up this present oriented stance. The Dependent Stance moves towards others (people, institutions, religious ideals etc.) to know what to do, how to feel, and how to move in the world. Those in the Dependent Stance are community builders. They walk into the room and they see all the people and they know what to do to help them. They

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49:00

Enneagram - Aggressive Stance (3s, 7s, 8s)

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2024/03/20

In week two of their three part enneagram series, Jenny and Phil cover numbers in The Aggressive Stance. Comprised of 8s (gut triad), 7s (head triad), and 3s (heart triad) this stance is future oriented. If 4s, 5s, and 9s are the philosophers of the Enneagram, 8s, 7s, and 3s are the architects. These numbers are self motivating and self propelled. They dream and vision cast and invite others to do the same. Phil and Jenny cover the gifts and challenges associated with this stance, including how

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73:54

Enneagram Introduction and Withdrawing Numbers (aka...

Radical Sacred ·

2024/03/13

In this episode Jenny and Phil dive into The Enneagram! They talk about the three centers of intelligence and the importance that head, heart, and gut have in determining how we take in information and interpret the world.Phil and Jenny share all about the Withdrawing stance.4s (Jenny), 5s, and 9s (Phil) withdraw into themselves in order to know what to do. Withdrawing numbers are past oriented, meaning we sometimes struggle to do/say things in real time. They also talk about the gifts and struggles

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50:56

Divine Animism - A Plushier, Spongier Way of Being

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2024/03/06

This delightful episode is all about Divine Animacy. Dive in as Jenny and Phil explore a "greener, plushier, spongier ways of being," (you'll understand this description as you listen). Also, not all that surprising, there is again an ode to trees in this week's episode and an invitation to understand life more as verbs and less as nouns.Questions to consider:When we recognize our connectedness to all things, how might our lives begin to shift?How have you experienced the relational,

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61:28

The Sacred Masculine - A Follow Up to The Divine...

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2024/02/28

This episode was a difficult one for Jenny and Phil. Their struggle around defining and identifying what feels sacred and masculine is rooted deeply in the spaces and places they were raised. Much of what they were handed about the sacred masculine was steeped in a white, western, patriarchal worldview that has been difficult to unpack. And yet, as they explored masculinity they were able to find many beautiful and hopeful qualities to celebrate. As you listen, consider how growing up in a

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36:18

The Divine Feminine

Radical Sacred ·

2024/02/21

This week Jenny and Phil begin a three part series, a trilogy if you will, discussing the concept of the Divine Feminine and its importance in spirituality. They discuss how each of them have come to not only understand, but also encounter the Divine Feminine, especially in unexpected places outside of typical church. They also explore how to tap into divine feminine energy, rethinking the narrow Western views of feminine and masculine, and the holistic approach that requires head, heart, and whole

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56:46

Is Your Heart Strangely Warmed?

Radical Sacred ·

2024/02/14

In this Valentine's Day/Ash Wednesday episode, Jenny and Phil discuss the life and ministry of John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, with Rev. Elizabeth Moseley. They explore the concept of Wesley's heart being strangely warmed and how it transformed his faith and ministry. They highlight Wesley's emphasis on both personal faith, social holiness, and community engagement, as well as his ongoing journey of growth and development.They also get a little vulnerable and share personal reflections on

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59:21

Ancestors with Rev. William H. Lamar IV

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2024/02/07

In this week's episode, Jenny and Phil discuss the importance of ancestors with Rev. William H. Lamar IV. They explore the role of ancestors in society, politics, and faith, as well as the fear associated with ancestor veneration. They explore the importance of facing and embracing our ancestral history, even the difficult and imperfect parts, emphacizing the need to avoid avoidance and shame, as they perpetuate generational trauma. By cutting off our connection to all of our ancestors, we become

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46:21

Lberation Theology with Rev. Mitchell Boone

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2024/01/31

This week Jenny and Phil talk with Rev. Mitchell Boone about Liberation Theology. Never heard of Liberation Theology? You are in good company and this conversation will be a lively introduction to a potentially offensive understanding of theology.Rev. Boone is the Senior Minister at First United Methodist Church in Downtown Dallas and beloved friend of both Jenny and Phil. During this episode they discuss theologians such as:Gustavo GuitierrezJoerg RiegerJames Conebell hooksAnd reference books such

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