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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to The Overlap"s football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football"s past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See

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52:54

Soccer: An American History - Part One: Origins and...

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2025/03/18

In this episode ofIt Was What It Was, Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson dive into the early history of soccer in the United States.They look at efforts to establish professional leagues, the influence of immigrant communities, and the geographic and cultural factors that made it difficult for football to gain a foothold - compared to rival American sports.This episode is the first of a three-part series. Join us on Friday as the story continues!If you’re enjoying the podcast, please subscribe and

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49:22

The 1985 League Cup Final: The Match that Changed My...

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2025/03/14

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.Rob and Jonathan are joined by David Corner - the man whose life was changed forever by the 1985 League Cup Final between Sunderland and Norwich. That match is remembered for a costly mistake that led to Sunderland’s defeat - a moment that saw David singled out, subjected to intense criticism and even physical abuse from his own fans.David shares his story with Jonathan and Rob, reflecting on how that experience shaped his life, the challenges he faced in the

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45:36

League Cup Classics: Liverpool, Newcastle and the...

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2025/03/11

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was. With Liverpool and Newcastle set to battle for the first major trophy of the English domestic season on Sunday, we’re taking a journey through some of the greatest League Cup finals of all time.Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper each share three of their favourite finals - games filled with drama, controversy, and unforgettable moments that have defined the competition. Have we missed any of your favourites? Get in touch with @ItWasPodOn Friday we have a special

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54:04

From Arteta to Alonso: The Rise of Basque Coaches

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2025/03/07

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was. Mikel Arteta’s transformation of Arsenal, Unai Emery’s tactical mastery, Xabi Alonso’s meteoric rise at Bayer Leverkusen, and Andoni Iraola’s fearless pressing at AFC Bournemouth all highlight a remarkable trend: A new wave of coaches shaping the modern game, many of them from the Basque Country.But why does this small region produce so many elite managers? Is it the coaching philosophy, the deep footballing culture, or something ingrained in the Basque

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52:04

Guardiola: Dominance, Decline and a Post-Pep World?

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2025/03/04

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was. This week - we discuss the rise of Basque coaching. But we begin not in Bilbao or San Sebastián, but with a Catalan: Pep Guardiola.After revolutionising football with Barcelona, dominating in Germany with Bayern, and redefining the Premier League with Manchester City, Guardiola has become the defining coach of his era.But after a turbulent season at City, questions are emerging: Is this the beginning of the end for his football? Have opponents finally caught up

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47:49

The Making of a Football Superpower - Part Three: A...

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2025/02/28

Welcome back to It Was What It Was. This is the story of a new dawn - where one national team took full control of their destiny, cementing a legacy that continues to shape football today.Following their World Cup triumph (in our last part), the U.S. Women's side entered a new era of independence and power - and with it came major shifts. Coach Tony DiCicco became a casualty of the team’s growing influence, making way for fresh leadership and a transformed vision. But tensions were surfacing behind

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51:18

The Making of a Football Superpower - Part Two: The...

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2025/02/25

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was, the football history podcast..Approaching the end of the millennium, the U.S. women’s national team had already won a World Cup and Olympic gold, but they were still fighting for mainstream recognition. That all changed when they took centre stage at the 1999 Women’s World Cup.With 90,000 fans packing the Rose Bowl and millions watching around the world, the final against China became a defining moment - not just for the U.S. team, but for women’s football as a

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57:24

The Making of a Football Superpower - Part One: The...

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2025/02/21

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was, the football history podcast..Despite not playing their first professional match until 1985, the U.S. Women won the inaugural World Cup in 1991. But even as champions, they faced inequality—most notably at the 1996 Olympics, where they were only promised payifthey won gold, while the men earned bonuses for any medal. Tennis icon Billie Jean King stepped in to fight for change.This is the story of how the U.S. women’s team fought for more than just trophies.Part

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44:43

The Making of a Football Superpower with Carli Lloyd...

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2025/02/18

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was, the football history podcast.In our new mini-series, we begin the journey of how women’s football in the U.S. rose to global dominance.And who better to start with than Carli Lloyd - one of the game’s greatest competitors and a key figure in that evolution?From the early struggles for recognition to back-to-back World Cup triumphs, Lloyd’s career mirrors the relentless fight for respect and progress in the women’s game. She takes us inside the mindset that made her

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48:18

Busby’s Man United: From Munich Tragedy to European...

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2025/02/14

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.In this final chapter of our series, we complete the journey that began with Gary Neville reflecting on the legacy of the Busby Babes. We explored who they were before the 1958 Munich Air Disaster, the tragic day itself, and now, we turn to the aftermath: How Manchester United rose again.Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take you through the incredible story of resilience and redemption. After recovering from his own life-threatening

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37:19

Manchester United's Darkest Day

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2025/02/11

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was, the football history podcast.In last week’s episode, we told the story of the rise of the Busby Babes, their brilliance, and their final match before tragedy struck. Today, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take you through the darkest day in Manchester United’s history: 6 February 1958.At Munich-Riem Airport, United’s flight stopped to refuel on its way home from Belgrade. After two failed take-off attempts, the third ended in disaster. The crash claimed 23 lives,

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52:16

Who Were The Busby Babes? Part One

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2025/02/07

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.Following Gary Neville’s tribute to the triumph and tragedy of the Busby Babes on the anniversary week of the Munich Air Disaster, we begin a three-part series on how the tragedy shaped the future of Manchester United.In Part One, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper explore who the Busby Babes were, how the term came to be, and how Sir Matt Busby built his legendary team. They discuss the club’s pioneering youth system, Bobby

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43:18

Gary Neville: The Triumph and Tragedy of the Busby Babes

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2025/02/04

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.This week former Manchester United captain Gary Neville joins us to look back on one of the most momentous and tragic events in football history: The Munich air disaster of 1958.Neville discusses the lasting significance of the tragedy - and how Sir Matt Busby rebuilt the club, leading them to European Cup glory just a decade after its darkest day.Gary shares stories with Jonathan and Rob - including how he was raised to honour the

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54:23

The Mystery of Matthias Sindelar, Part Two

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2025/01/31

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.Austrian footballer Matthias Sindelar was one of the greats of the game but his mysterious death in 1939 at the age of just 35 became a hugely contested issue in the darkest era of Austrian history. Was he murdered because he objected to the Nazis? Did he chose to end his life unable to countenance living under Hitler? Or was he the victim of a tragic accident? And what role had his girlfriend Camilla Castagnola, found dead alongside

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50:05

The Mystery of Matthias Sindelar, Part One

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2025/01/28

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.Austrian footballer Matthias Sindelar was one of the greats of the game but his mysterious death in 1939 at the age of just 35 became a hugely contested issue in the darkest era of Austrian history. Was he murdered because he objected to the Nazis? Did he chose to end his life unable to countenance living under Hitler? Or was he the victim of a tragic accident? And what role had his girlfriend Camilla Castagnola, found dead alongside

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45:45

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part Four

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2025/01/24

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.Jonathan and Rob continue exploring the extraordinary legacy of Bill Nicholson’s push and run game at Spurs and its relationship with Cruyff, Ajax, Barça and Total Football.In Part 4, Nicholson guides Spurs to the first league and cup double of the 20th century and Spurs become the first British club to win a European trophy.Don't forget to go back and listen to the rest of this series. Parts one and two feature Spurs royalty Steve Perryman!If you’re enjoying It Was

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48:13

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part Three

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2025/01/21

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.Jonathan and Rob continue their dive into the career of Tottenham's legendary manager and one of the founding fathers of modern football: Bill Nicholson.Don't forget to go back and listen to parts one and two with special guest and Spurs royalty Steve Perryman!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving us a five-star review to help others discover the show. Thank you for listening! Hosted on Acast

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39:24

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part Two With...

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2025/01/17

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.It's time for part two of Jonathan and Rob's chat with Spurs legend Steve Perryman about the club's legendary manager and one of the founding fathers of modern football: Bill Nicholson.Hear more from Steve as he tells us backstage stories and insights on Nicholson from the training ground, the dressing room and White Hart Lane. Don't forget to go back and listen to part one first if you missed it. If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to

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32:35

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part One With...

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2025/01/14

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.This week, Jonathan and Rob are joined by Steve Perryman, Tottenham Hotspur’s record appearance holder, to talk about legendary Spurs manager Bill Nicholson.From transforming Spurs into serial winners - to hilarious changing room stories - Steve takes us behind the scenes of one of the most successful sides of the 20th century.Join us on Friday for Part Two!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving

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43:17

History's Biggest FA Cup Third Round Shocks - Part Two

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2025/01/10

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was - for Part Two of our look back at The FA Cup’s most memorable Third Round upsets!Jonathan and Rob return to tell the stories behind five more iconic moments from football's oldest cup competition - before the pair choose their ultimate Third Round shock. Please go back and listen to Part One if you missed it!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving us a five-star review to help others discover

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