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Frank and Stan Chats

Frank Norris and Stan Johnson

Frank Norris and Stan Johnson have been friends since 1995. Both have had successful and lengthy careers in education. Frank was a very senior HMI with Ofsted for 11 years and was the CEO of the Coop Academies Trust for 6 years. Stan was seconded to Ofsted for a year and then returned to headship before working as a senior adviser with Lancashire LA. He has latterly led a successful education consultancy in the North West. Prior to Covid-19, the two gents would meet in Manchester for a pint or two

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33:46

Frank and Stan Chat No. 172

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/12/18

The final chat of 2023 sees Eric Craven, the Scouse Poet, return for the third time. He is the regular 'go-to' guest for the final chat before Christmas and he never disappoints. He has a new anthology of poems just published called "Love, hurt and whimsy'. He reads two contrasting poems from the collection as well as a new poem about his son. Despite much news in the world of education we glide over this and concentrate on some positive insights. The end of the chat includes a summary of the

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32:38

Frank and Stan Chat No.171

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/12/09

We've been trying to secure a slot to have the brilliant Sameena Choudry back as a guest and she certainly didn't disappoint. In a week when there was the Coroner's verdict on the Headteacher at Caversham Primary School, the lack of strong leadership emanating from the Covid Inquiry, a Prime Minister trying to say that Rwanda is a safe country when only a few months ago Supreme Couty judges determined that it wasn't, PISA findings and a troubling UNESCO report on appalling increase in levels of

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40:09

Frank and Stan Chat No. 170

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/12/01

Sir David Carter was a guest on Frank and Stan Chat in September 2022 and we were delighted to welcome him back to find out what has caught his eye this week? The chat considers The Elgin Marbles and what it says about leadership. Also enables us all to reflect on the tricky meeting with a parent/carer and how best to deal with it. David then shares his clear view on the Minimum Service Standards that are likely to hit a wall of protest. Frank then considers the value, or not, of the bursary system

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40:09

Frank and Stan Chat No. 170

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/12/01

Sir David Carter was a guest on Frank and Stan Chat in September 2022 and we were delighted to welcome him back to find out what has caught his eye this week? The chat considers The Elgin Marbles and what it says about leadership. Also enables us all to reflect on the tricky meeting with a parent/carer and how best to deal with it. David then shares his clear view on the Minimum Service Standards that are likely to hit a wall of protest. Frank then considers the value, or not, of the bursary system

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34:37

Frank and Stan Chat No. 169

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/11/24

This week the chat tries not get in a tail spin over a variety of Ofsted issues. Meena Wood is a former HMI, Principal, local authority adviser, author and public speaker and a strong critic of the current inspection arrangements. During the chat she explains how differently other countries inspect their schools and wonders why there is not a greater focus on this. Stan considers why Maintained Nurseries achieve such a high Ofsted outcome compared to other phases. The comments made by HMCI on

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39:54

Frank and Stan Chat No. 168

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/11/17

It is great to have weekly chats with colleagues who know each other well and feel safe chatting about things. There is a higher level of trust and respect. This is certainly the case for this week's chat with Stephen McMullan. Stephen worked with Frank as one of the most senior colleagues at the Coop Academies Trust when Frank was CEO there. He became a Senior HMI with Ofsted and then followed in Stan's footsteps as a senior officer at Wakefield MBC. The chat covers a recent report from the Youth

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39:54

Frank and Stan Chat No. 168

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/11/17

It is great to have weekly chats with colleagues who know each other well and feel safe chatting about things. There is a higher level of trust and respect. This is certainly the case for this week's chat with Stephen McMullan. Stephen worked with Frank as one of the most senior colleagues at the Coop Academies Trust when Frank was CEO there. He became a Senior HMI with Ofsted and then followed in Stan's footsteps as a senior officer at Wakefield MBC. The chat covers a recent report from the Youth

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38:23

Frank and Stan Chat No. 167

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/11/10

Every week we usually have a great guest drawn from a range of roles involved in education. But, this week we have excelled ourselves by having as our guest Prof Andy Hargreaves, the visiting Professor at University of Ottawa, Research Professor at Boston College, an elected member of the US National Academy of Education and current adviser to the First Minister of Scotland. In addition he has published over 30 books and has eight outstanding writing awards. He is ranked 15th by Education Week (US)

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29:11

Frank and Stan Chat No. 166

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/11/03

A few months ago Frank met Dave McPartlin at a glitzy event in Blackpool. Dave, Headteacher at Flakefleet Primary School in Fleetwood has recently spoken out publicly about the current Ofsted arrangements and how these were impacting on his wellbeing as well as other senior leaders. He mentioned some work he was proud of at his school so we decided to record this week's Frank and Stan Chat in the school's new community cafe. The chat explains why the cafe is important to the school's community and

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41:12

Frank and Stan Chat No. 165

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/10/27

Carolyn Eyre is a nationally recognised expert on safeguarding. She returns to Frank and Stan Chat to discuss what's caught her eye this week but also to explain the significant changes in statutory and non-statutory arrangements that come into place before the end of 2023. Nearly all of the proposed changes were completely new to Frank (what's new, we hear you cry!). If you are a trustee, governor, senior leader in a trust, school or setting this chat is well worth watching/listening to. Frank also

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28:45

Frank and Stan Chat No.164

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/10/13

It is always a pleasure to have guests on Frank and Stan Chat who feel relaxed and willing to be open and honest. Lisa Fathers, Director of Education and Partnerships at Bright Futures Educational Trust, fits that bill. The chat covers mathematics for Primary Schools, what the Shadow Secretary of State for Education may have meant when she suggested more regular inspections on the most important issues, the importance of political awareness but maintaining impartiality, brushing teeth and why being

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31:47

Frank and Stan Chat No.163

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/10/06

The two gents are joined by three senior education leaders from the south coast. Shelley Baker, Will Baldwin and Grainne Byrd share a strong commitment to the importance of citizenship and use it to drive school improvement through engagement and connection. An interesting week for the chat with the Prime Minister announcing a number of education and infrastructure decisions. The chat considers many of these and reflects on how open and transparent the decision-making process was and how it

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24:09

Frank and Stan Chat SPOTLIGHT with Dr Rebecca Lawton

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/09/29

A few months ago Dr Rebecca Lawton was a guest on the weekly Frank and Stan Chat. During the discussion, she mentioned a number of initiatives she had introduced to improve teacher workload, recruitment and retention. We invited Rebecca back to focus fully on her initiatives including the introduction of a 4 day week for staff. It is an amazing chat that captures innovation, leadership and a real commitment to the wellbeing of staff and pupils. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more

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37:54

Frank and Stan Chat No. 162

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/09/22

It is an absolute pleasure to spend an hour each week chatting formally (while recording) and informally (prior to and after the recording) with our guests. This week Aelwyn Pugh, a former longstanding HMI, joined our chat and provided real food for thought around what a broad and balanced curriculum looks like and whether it is actually available for all pupils. Stan considers a new approach for the DfE where they announce that they are addressing workload issues by in effect stopping things that

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40:11

Frank and Stan Chat No.161

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/09/15

Timing is very important in ensuring we get the right guest at the right time. In the world of Frank and Stan Chat much of this is down to luck. Today's edition is a good example because the night before this edition Co-operative UK, the organisation that Rose Marley is CEO won the Business of the Year Award at a glitzy Manchester venue. Rose is a great guest because she raises important points for education drawn from non-education events. A good example is the way she considered the apology from

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40:22

Frank and Stan Chat No. 160

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/09/09

After a break of five weeks to recharge the batteries the two long time friends are back for their 5th academic year. This week's chat focuses on the problems some schools and the government have encountered regarding aerated concrete. A week when the Secretary of State for Education swore during an interview with ITV, when some schools returned their building survey questionnaires to find the DfE didn't have an accurate list and Sir Martyn Oliver was interviewed by the Education Select Committee

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38:40

Frank and Stan Chat No. 159: The Chris Murphy Edition

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/07/20

A rather personal Frank and Stan Chat for Frank this week as he has invited a good friend of his son, Chris Murphy, as the guest. Chris chose not to follow the path many of his friends followed when they left secondary school and College finally ending up at university. Chris chose an apprenticeship through a sprinkler installation business and this has enabled him to progress to be a Director of the business. He also identified a problem in how businesses order and quote for work so he has

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35:04

Frank and Stan Chat No.158: The Nihad Cehic Edition

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/07/14

Another great guest this week as Frank and Stan Chat about Artificial Intelligence (or at least Nihad Celic does), the Secretary of State believes headteachers should provide one of the most expensive taxi services in the country and the honesty of a footballer revealing his mental health challenges. The section on AI is worth watching alone as Nihad explains how the emphasis on knowledge is currently misplaced and why we need to develop greater appreciation of human contact and expression for our

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34:48

Frank and Stan Chat No. 157: The Dr Gill L'Anson Edition

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/07/07

This week Frank and Stan Chat with clinical psychologist Dr Gill L'Anson about her work on leadership and how the pandemic has affected the wellbeing of senior leaders. Gill brings her research and insight to bear on the issues of the week. She stresses the need to draw on 'the best psychological knowledge we have to help improve things..... and we need to be much less polarised'. Stan chats about a tweet he had read about not hugging a child, then Gill considers the considered nature of a letter

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47:58

Frank and Stan Chat No. 156: The James Eldon Edition

Frank and Stan Chats ·

2023/07/01

This week the two gents chat to James Eldon, Principal at Manchester Academy, a member of the Headteachers' Roundtable and advocate for the thinking around the recently announced MBacc. The chat begins with Stan reflecting on the power of Ministers in ordering or demanding that Ofsted inspects a school where a story about a student identifying as a Cat ran wild in newspapers recently. James considers the implications of this event on the most senior leader in the school and why these issues hinder

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