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PODCAST

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About

Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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MIAW 2021 - Sophia Kannathasan

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2021/11/17

Today Sophia Kannathasan tells us about her playing injury, which was diagnosed as golfers elbow. She takes us through the process of grieving playing violin, readjusting her priorities and healing with time, increasing playing incrementally. She also speaks about the rewards of mental practice and score study, both of which still form a part of her violin work.Adamant about giving an honest account of being an up-and-coming musician, Sophia has reached people all over the world through her

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MIAW 2021 - Peter Regan

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2021/11/16

Day 2 of the first Musicians' Injury Awareness Week brings us Peter Regan's story.Peter recently graduated from the Royal College of Music and this summer founded Fulham Fest with two friends. In his last year of study, he developed an injury in his hands, affecting not only his playing but also his mental well-being. Luckily, the pandemic seemed to come at just the right time for Peter as it meant that he could take things a little easier and pace his practice to suit him and his injury. Like many

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MIAW 2021 - Francesca Leo

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2021/11/15

Flutist Francesca Leo takes us through her journey of long-term injury, somatic education practices and the process of setting up Playing Without PainAs both flutist and entrepreneur, Francesca has used her own injury experience to connect injured musicians to resources and advice they may need.Share your injury stories using the hashtag #MIAW2021 and tag us! The more discussion, the merrier.Click here for transcript Follow Francescaon Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/playingwithoutpain/Follow

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29. Clare Hammond: the terror of post-natal depression

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2021/10/18

Welcome back! Today Hattie and Rebecca speak with concert pianist Clare Hammond about her experience with generalised anxiety disorder, post-natal depression and how these experiences have lead Clare to performances in schools and prisons. They speak about managing a mental illness as a musician, how it might feel to inhabit a prolonged period of darkness, how and whether to communicate struggle with audiences and Clare's work within prisons. Find Clare's article for Classical Music UK

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28. Ellie Consta: conforming no more

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2021/09/27

This time on Things Musicians Don't Talk About, we meet Ellie Consta, the founder of Her Ensemble. We talk about the struggles of lockdown, life as a musician, and her growing discomfort with the classical music world as it stands today. These issues together lead her to set up Her Ensemble, the UK's first women and non-binary orchestra, which is taking the classical music scene by storm.Thank you to Ellie for all of the incredibly important work that she is doing, and for speaking to us so honestly

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27. Laura van der Heijden: anxiety on stage

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2021/09/09

In today's episode Hattie speaks with the renowned cellist Laura van Der Heijden. Laura won the BBC Young Musician of the Year Award in 2012 at the age of 15 and since then has gone on to establish herself as a concerto soloist and chamber musician in high demand. In the episode Laura and I speak about her ongoing struggles with performance anxiety and how debilitating the experience of performing can feel. We also speak about the pressures around winning such a prestigious competition and how Laura

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26. Lauren McQuistin: addiction, opera and sobriety

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2021/08/18

This time, Rebecca takes her turn as interviewer. She speaks to the exceptional Lauren McQuistin about her journey through alcoholism and into recovery, and how it has impacted her musical and personal life. Alcohol is such a mainstay of the music industry, classical and otherwise, and Lauren speaks with such honesty and eloquence on this historically taboo subject. The line between what can be seemingly 'harmless' social drinking and potentially devastating alcoholism is extremely fine,

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25. Melissa Brown: the long haul of OCD

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2021/08/04

Hattie speaks with trombonist and fellow podcaster, Melissa Brown about her OCD diagnosis and the impact it has had on Melissa both personally and professionally. We speak about suffering during music college, the reality of living every minute of the day with intense anxiety and how to find the right therapy for OCD.Melissa speaks so mindfully and with so much professionalism, whilst still having a real desire to connect and be vulnerable. I really felt at home and supported through this

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24. Sexuality and relevance in classical music

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2021/07/13

Trigger warning: discussions around specific homophobic commentsExplicit language is used. Today we are speaking about recent backlash and online homophobia beneath three posts on Classic FM's social media to celebrate pride month and support the LGBTQ+ community.We were shocked and saddened to imagine musicians still enduring an environment where to be yourself is to be attacked, even in 2021. The truth remains that to be different or to bring visibility into your music making, in order to end

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23. How are you really? Leaving music college,...

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2021/06/29

CW: Suicidal thoughtsI sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts! We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future.I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board!Hattie xxFind

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22. Raye Harvey

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2021/06/20

Today is all things Chineke!, Steiner education, mental health and branching out of classical music into other projects/genres!Hattie chats to violinist Raye Harvey about her life and education. Delving into the subtle ways in which subtle racial discrimination has been transformed by the work of the Chineke! Orchestra, Raye talks about becoming involved with Europe's majority-Black and ethnically diverse orchestra and how transformational that has been. Raye speaks openly about her mental health,

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21. George Dexter Evans: autism and CFS

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2021/06/04

Welcome back! Today I am speaking with composer and guitarist George Dexter Evans about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and autism and how they impact his life as a musician and composer. We speak about the common misconceptions surrounding CFS, about taking time away to recover before starting university, being a 'mature' student and the stigma surrounding it. We also speak about George's later diagnosis of autism, how special interests and 'masking' have played into George's life, and how it can impact

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Mental Health Walk 5- Making decisions in...

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2021/05/14

I am so sad that it’s the final day of walks, but today I am escaping the rain inside! I answer some of your questions about making decisions when you’re feeling unstable, the stigma of moving back in with your parents and what to do when things feel endless. Thank you so much everyone who has tuned in this week and made it so special. Also to my Instagram Live guests, Rebecca and Abi for their vulnerability and openness.Things Musicians Don't Talk About website:

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10:48

Mental Health Walk 4- Vulnerability hangovers and the...

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2021/05/13

Thank you for joining me for another walk!! Today I am talking about my vulnerability hangover and how the news affects our mental health (and why it’s ok to delete it)Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.comTMDTA TwitterFacebookInstagramIf you would like to support our work, why not buy us a Kofi? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Mental Health Walk 3- Power abuse, my story

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2021/05/12

Today I am talking about power abuse in light of being sent this article, written by David-Emil Wickstroem called 'Dealing with (institutionalised) forms of power abuse'.Power abuse can lead to mental health problems and is a big issue within our profession that needs addressing. Today I am sharing my experience with power abuse and hope it helps you to feel less alone if it's something that you've also dealt with, or are dealing with currently. Looking forward to seeing you all this evening for the

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14:06

Mental Health Walk 2- Why I hate mindfulness and why...

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/05/11

Morning! Today was a struggle to wake up but we did. I am walking and talking about the difficulties of mindfulness, why screen time isn’t always a bad thing, letting go of labels and thinking about humility.Hope this week is going well for you so far!Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.comTMDTA TwitterFacebookInstagramIf you would like to support our work, why not buy us a Kofi? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Mental Health Walk 1- Where I'm at, disordered...

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/05/10

Welcome to the first of five walks to raise awareness this Mental Health Awareness Week! Today I am out in rural Oxfordshire talking about how the current situation is impacting our mental health, my fears for the future, how I have overcome disordered work and practice and the similarities between restrictive eating disorders and practice obsession.Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.comTMDTA TwitterFacebookInstagramIf you would like to support our

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20. Channa Malkin

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2021/05/04

Today I am talking to the wonderful soprano Channa Malkin about her upcoming CD launch, inspired by the issues, stigmas and graces of motherhood. We talk about Channa’s journey to becoming a mother and the misconceptions many performers have about motherhood and working alongside it.Channa's headshot is by photographer Brendon Heinst‍While growing up in a family of classical musicians, soprano Channa Malkin initially enjoyed other creative outlets such as painting and writing. Music was always

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19. Matt Frost

Things Musicians Don"t Talk About ·

2021/04/13

How often do we really think about our hearing health as musicians? Do we realise how great the risks to hearing damage actually are and how to protect ourselves adequately? How might we navigate a change in career path within, or outside of the music profession and how can we discern and communicate our desire to diversify? Today I am speaking with trainee audiologist and percussionist, Matt Frost. Matt Frost is partially deaf. Diagnosed with hearing loss at 17, he pursued his musical dream

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18. Ella Taylor

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2021/03/18

"Opera is queer af". Yet is is seated within the classical music profession- one dominated by a white, straight,middle-class and privileged persona. Musicians have never fitted this rigidity. The abundance of creativity and expression needed to connect with audiences requires a mind that thinks outside of the binary mentality. We also naturally have sexual and gender expressions that match the individual, rather than the gender construct. Still, musicians speak about this very rarely.I am so excited

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