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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to The Overlap"s football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football"s past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See

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37:19

Manchester United's Darkest Day

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2025/02/11

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was, the football history podcast.In last week’s episode, we told the story of the rise of the Busby Babes, their brilliance, and their final match before tragedy struck. Today, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take you through the darkest day in Manchester United’s history: 6 February 1958.At Munich-Riem Airport, United’s flight stopped to refuel on its way home from Belgrade. After two failed take-off attempts, the third ended in disaster. The crash claimed 23 lives,

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52:16

Who Were The Busby Babes? Part One

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2025/02/07

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.Following Gary Neville’s tribute to the triumph and tragedy of the Busby Babes on the anniversary week of the Munich Air Disaster, we begin a three-part series on how the tragedy shaped the future of Manchester United.In Part One, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper explore who the Busby Babes were, how the term came to be, and how Sir Matt Busby built his legendary team. They discuss the club’s pioneering youth system, Bobby

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43:18

Gary Neville: The Triumph and Tragedy of the Busby Babes

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2025/02/04

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.This week former Manchester United captain Gary Neville joins us to look back on one of the most momentous and tragic events in football history: The Munich air disaster of 1958.Neville discusses the lasting significance of the tragedy - and how Sir Matt Busby rebuilt the club, leading them to European Cup glory just a decade after its darkest day.Gary shares stories with Jonathan and Rob - including how he was raised to honour the

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54:23

The Mystery of Matthias Sindelar, Part Two

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2025/01/31

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.Austrian footballer Matthias Sindelar was one of the greats of the game but his mysterious death in 1939 at the age of just 35 became a hugely contested issue in the darkest era of Austrian history. Was he murdered because he objected to the Nazis? Did he chose to end his life unable to countenance living under Hitler? Or was he the victim of a tragic accident? And what role had his girlfriend Camilla Castagnola, found dead alongside

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50:05

The Mystery of Matthias Sindelar, Part One

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2025/01/28

Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast.Austrian footballer Matthias Sindelar was one of the greats of the game but his mysterious death in 1939 at the age of just 35 became a hugely contested issue in the darkest era of Austrian history. Was he murdered because he objected to the Nazis? Did he chose to end his life unable to countenance living under Hitler? Or was he the victim of a tragic accident? And what role had his girlfriend Camilla Castagnola, found dead alongside

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45:45

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part Four

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2025/01/24

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.Jonathan and Rob continue exploring the extraordinary legacy of Bill Nicholson’s push and run game at Spurs and its relationship with Cruyff, Ajax, Barça and Total Football.In Part 4, Nicholson guides Spurs to the first league and cup double of the 20th century and Spurs become the first British club to win a European trophy.Don't forget to go back and listen to the rest of this series. Parts one and two feature Spurs royalty Steve Perryman!If you’re enjoying It Was

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48:13

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part Three

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2025/01/21

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.Jonathan and Rob continue their dive into the career of Tottenham's legendary manager and one of the founding fathers of modern football: Bill Nicholson.Don't forget to go back and listen to parts one and two with special guest and Spurs royalty Steve Perryman!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving us a five-star review to help others discover the show. Thank you for listening! Hosted on Acast

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39:24

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part Two With...

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2025/01/17

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.It's time for part two of Jonathan and Rob's chat with Spurs legend Steve Perryman about the club's legendary manager and one of the founding fathers of modern football: Bill Nicholson.Hear more from Steve as he tells us backstage stories and insights on Nicholson from the training ground, the dressing room and White Hart Lane. Don't forget to go back and listen to part one first if you missed it. If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to

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32:35

The Brilliance of Bill Nicholson - Part One With...

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2025/01/14

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was.This week, Jonathan and Rob are joined by Steve Perryman, Tottenham Hotspur’s record appearance holder, to talk about legendary Spurs manager Bill Nicholson.From transforming Spurs into serial winners - to hilarious changing room stories - Steve takes us behind the scenes of one of the most successful sides of the 20th century.Join us on Friday for Part Two!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving

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43:17

History's Biggest FA Cup Third Round Shocks - Part Two

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2025/01/10

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was - for Part Two of our look back at The FA Cup’s most memorable Third Round upsets!Jonathan and Rob return to tell the stories behind five more iconic moments from football's oldest cup competition - before the pair choose their ultimate Third Round shock. Please go back and listen to Part One if you missed it!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving us a five-star review to help others discover

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47:41

History's Biggest FA Cup Third Round Shocks - Part One

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2025/01/07

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was - where it's time to talk some of The FA Cup’s most memorable Third Round shocks!TheFACupis synonymous with dreams and giant-killings, and nothing captures its essence better than the Third Round proper. Jonathan and Rob bring us theirfavourite ‘cupsets’ and the stories that have cemented them inFACupfolklore. Don't forget to join us for Part Two on Friday!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving

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54:55

Lines, Screens and Outrage! The Story, the Impact and...

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2025/01/03

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was and Happy New Year!In today’s episode, Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into the origins of VAR with author Daisy Christodoulou.Her latest book, I Can’t Stop Talking About VAR, discusses its profound impact on the sport, and whether it was designed to enhance football - or if football is now adapting to fit VAR. The evolution of football has never felt more immediate or impactful.If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an

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51:12

Sir Alex And His Worst Ever New Year's Day - with...

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2024/12/31

New’s Eve Year 1991. Manchester United are on course to win the title for the first time since 1967. It’s Sir Alex Ferguson’s 50th birthday party, but it's a small, understated affair because United play QPR at Old Trafford the next day. A comfortable home win is expected for United to go top again - but it didn't work out that way... Join one of the stars of that game, Andy Sinton, to discuss what happened next, in perhaps the most famous New Year's Day game in modern English football.If you’re

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1:08:01

The True Story of the Christmas Truce 1914

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2024/12/23

Christmas Eve, 1914. A cold, crisp, moonlit night in Flanders.British and German soldiers are dug into opposing trenches in a hellish shelled-out landscape, strewn with rotting corpses. But an unfamiliar sound is heard from the German trenches: “Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht” is being sung to welcome the birth of Christ.The British respond with their own carols, seasonal greetings are exchanged across the trenches and troops tentatively move out into No Man’s Land. Gifts are exchanged, friends are

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43:10

Pickles Finds The World Cup: The Story Of Football's...

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2024/12/17

This week on It Was What It Was, it's the tale ofPickles: The most famous dog in football history.As most football fans know, Picklessaved the day by finding the Jules Rimet trophy - the original World Cup - after it had farcically been stolen from a stamp collection exhibition in the run up to the 1966 World Cup. But the whole story is even more surprising, more tragic and more comedic. And what came next for Pickles and the thief? Jonathan and Rob reveal all.If you’re enjoying the podcast, please

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54:35

Wolves: Champions Of The World!

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2024/12/10

This week on It Was What It Was, Jonathan and Rob introduce us to the team - and the match - that played a huge part in the invention of the European Cup...“Champions of the World!” was the headline given to Wolverhampton Wanderers, when they beat the mighty Hungarian team Honvéd, led by Ferenc Puskas, in 1954. Billy Wright was the star of the show for a game that many saw as reestablishing England as top football nation. But was it just gamesmanship that won the day for this greatWolvesside? And

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57:13

When the Super Eagles Stunned the World - Nigeria 1996

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2024/12/03

This week on It Was What It Was, we're looking at one of football's most remarkable underdog stories. Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take us back to the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, where Nigeria’s “Dream Team” shocked the world and won men's gold - the first African team to win a senior global football tournament. From Kanu’s heroics, to dramatic comeback victories over Brazil and Argentina, they explore how this historic triumph cemented African football on the global stage - and inspired a new

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56:15

Ruben Amorim: Have Man United Found Their Special One?

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2024/11/26

This week. It Was What It Was asks: What is it with Portuguese football? With Ruben Amorim arriving at Manchester United, there are now as many Premier League managers from Portugal as from England coaching this season.Portugal also has the fourth highest-quota of Premier League players (after England, Brazil and France). For a nation of just over 10 million, it consistently punches above its weight.Amorim’s rise to one of the biggest jobs in world football is located in the reform of Portuguese

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57:01

Rafa Benitez: My Coaching Secrets - Part Two

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2024/11/21

Welcome to It Was What It Was, and Part Two of our special look back at the remarkable career of Rafa Benitez - with the man himself!In this second part - Rafa, Jonathan and Rob look back at Rafa's arrival at Anfield, his influence on the Premier League, and then head backstage to explain the moments and decisions behind that iconic Champions League triumph in Istanbul.Join us as Rafa takes us inside the moments that defined his legacy in England, and cemented his place in Liverpool folklore.If

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1:08:27

Rafa Benitez: My Coaching Secrets - Part One

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2024/11/19

In this special episode of It Was What It Was, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by the legendary Rafa Benitez.Part One explores the early years of Rafa's extraordinary career, from his beginnings as a promising young coach in Spain to his groundbreaking success with Valencia.Rafa shares the stories, challenges, and philosophy that shaped his journey. Part One takes us up to his arrival in England - setting the stage for the Premier League's tactical transformation that Rafa would help to

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