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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to The Overlap"s football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football"s past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See

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47:41

History's Biggest FA Cup Third Round Shocks - Part One

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2025/01/07

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was - where it's time to talk some of The FA Cup’s most memorable Third Round shocks!TheFACupis synonymous with dreams and giant-killings, and nothing captures its essence better than the Third Round proper. Jonathan and Rob bring us theirfavourite ‘cupsets’ and the stories that have cemented them inFACupfolklore. Don't forget to join us for Part Two on Friday!If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode, and consider leaving

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54:55

Lines, Screens and Outrage! The Story, the Impact and...

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2025/01/03

Welcome back toIt Was What It Was and Happy New Year!In today’s episode, Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into the origins of VAR with author Daisy Christodoulou.Her latest book, I Can’t Stop Talking About VAR, discusses its profound impact on the sport, and whether it was designed to enhance football - or if football is now adapting to fit VAR. The evolution of football has never felt more immediate or impactful.If you’re enjoying the It Was What It Was, please hit subscribe to never miss an

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51:12

Sir Alex And His Worst Ever New Year's Day - with...

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2024/12/31

New’s Eve Year 1991. Manchester United are on course to win the title for the first time since 1967. It’s Sir Alex Ferguson’s 50th birthday party, but it's a small, understated affair because United play QPR at Old Trafford the next day. A comfortable home win is expected for United to go top again - but it didn't work out that way... Join one of the stars of that game, Andy Sinton, to discuss what happened next, in perhaps the most famous New Year's Day game in modern English football.If you’re

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1:08:01

The True Story of the Christmas Truce 1914

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2024/12/23

Christmas Eve, 1914. A cold, crisp, moonlit night in Flanders.British and German soldiers are dug into opposing trenches in a hellish shelled-out landscape, strewn with rotting corpses. But an unfamiliar sound is heard from the German trenches: “Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht” is being sung to welcome the birth of Christ.The British respond with their own carols, seasonal greetings are exchanged across the trenches and troops tentatively move out into No Man’s Land. Gifts are exchanged, friends are

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43:10

Pickles Finds The World Cup: The Story Of Football's...

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2024/12/17

This week on It Was What It Was, it's the tale ofPickles: The most famous dog in football history.As most football fans know, Picklessaved the day by finding the Jules Rimet trophy - the original World Cup - after it had farcically been stolen from a stamp collection exhibition in the run up to the 1966 World Cup. But the whole story is even more surprising, more tragic and more comedic. And what came next for Pickles and the thief? Jonathan and Rob reveal all.If you’re enjoying the podcast, please

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54:35

Wolves: Champions Of The World!

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2024/12/10

This week on It Was What It Was, Jonathan and Rob introduce us to the team - and the match - that played a huge part in the invention of the European Cup...“Champions of the World!” was the headline given to Wolverhampton Wanderers, when they beat the mighty Hungarian team Honvéd, led by Ferenc Puskas, in 1954. Billy Wright was the star of the show for a game that many saw as reestablishing England as top football nation. But was it just gamesmanship that won the day for this greatWolvesside? And

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57:13

When the Super Eagles Stunned the World - Nigeria 1996

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2024/12/03

This week on It Was What It Was, we're looking at one of football's most remarkable underdog stories. Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper take us back to the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, where Nigeria’s “Dream Team” shocked the world and won men's gold - the first African team to win a senior global football tournament. From Kanu’s heroics, to dramatic comeback victories over Brazil and Argentina, they explore how this historic triumph cemented African football on the global stage - and inspired a new

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56:15

Ruben Amorim: Have Man United Found Their Special One?

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2024/11/26

This week. It Was What It Was asks: What is it with Portuguese football? With Ruben Amorim arriving at Manchester United, there are now as many Premier League managers from Portugal as from England coaching this season.Portugal also has the fourth highest-quota of Premier League players (after England, Brazil and France). For a nation of just over 10 million, it consistently punches above its weight.Amorim’s rise to one of the biggest jobs in world football is located in the reform of Portuguese

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57:01

Rafa Benitez: My Coaching Secrets - Part Two

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2024/11/21

Welcome to It Was What It Was, and Part Two of our special look back at the remarkable career of Rafa Benitez - with the man himself!In this second part - Rafa, Jonathan and Rob look back at Rafa's arrival at Anfield, his influence on the Premier League, and then head backstage to explain the moments and decisions behind that iconic Champions League triumph in Istanbul.Join us as Rafa takes us inside the moments that defined his legacy in England, and cemented his place in Liverpool folklore.If

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1:08:27

Rafa Benitez: My Coaching Secrets - Part One

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2024/11/19

In this special episode of It Was What It Was, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by the legendary Rafa Benitez.Part One explores the early years of Rafa's extraordinary career, from his beginnings as a promising young coach in Spain to his groundbreaking success with Valencia.Rafa shares the stories, challenges, and philosophy that shaped his journey. Part One takes us up to his arrival in England - setting the stage for the Premier League's tactical transformation that Rafa would help to

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55:23

Thomas Tuchel: The Origin Story of England's New Manager

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2024/11/12

In this week’s episode ofIt Was What It Was, Jonathan and Rob take a deep dive into the fascinating journey of ThomasTuchel, the newly appointed England manager. From his early years as a player with a mature football mind, to a detour studying economics while working in a cocktail bar,Tuchel’s path to football’s elite has been anything but ordinary.Jonathan and Rob discuss how a timely call from Ralph Rangnick setTuchel on a coaching trajectory that would see him manage some of Europe’s biggest

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59:11

The Money Behind Modern Football With Miguel Delaney

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2024/11/05

In this week’s episode ofIt Was What It Was, Miguel Delaney discusses his new book:States of Play: How Sportswashing Took Over Football.Jonathan, Rob and Miguel assess how mega-rich investors and state-backed owners have transformed clubs and competitions around the world. The trio explain the impact of sportswashing on our modern game - where nations and corporations have used football to enhance their public image and gain global influence. Join us for a compelling insight into football's new

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57:06

Emergency Pod: Amorim Arrives! Man United And The...

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2024/11/01

In this bonus episode of It Was What It Was hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper look into the striking parallels between Manchester United’s managerial struggles in the post-Matt Busby and post-Sir Alex Ferguson eras. Despite decades of history and immense success, the club has faced a persistent challenge in finding a manager capable of replicating the legacy left by its legendary figures.Following the recent sacking of Erik Ten Hag, the arrival of Ruben Amorim has reignited the age-old debate

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49:06

The Trilogy of Violence: Celtic v Racing 1967 - Part Two

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2024/10/31

In Part Two of It Was What It Was, we dive into the explosive conclusion of the 1967 Intercontinental Cup clash between Celtic and Racing Club. With tempers flaring, the second and decisive third legs were anything but ordinary—featuring multiple send-offs, brutal fouls, and even a policeman with a drawn sword stepping onto the pitch.Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper guide you through the chaos and controversy that defined this historic showdown. Don’t miss the conclusion to one of football’s most

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47:21

The Trilogy of Violence: Celtic v Racing 1967 - Part One

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2024/10/29

This week onIt Was What It Was, we’re traveling back to 1967, when Celtic’s legendary Lisbon Lions clashed with Racing Club in an unforgettable, fiery three-match series for the Intercontinental Cup.In Part One, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper set the stage before the first leg at Hampden Park, where Jock Stein’s side secured a 1-0 advantage to take to South America - though the real drama was just beginning.Join us on Thursday for the thrilling conclusion of this historic showdown in Part Two!If

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1:04:34

El Classico: Civil War, Conspiracies And Scandal With...

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2024/10/22

This week on It Was What It Was, we're talking one of football's greatest rivalries: Real Madrid and Barcelona.In the week of El Classico, Spanish football expert Sid Lowe joins Rob and Jonathan to discuss the history, politics and scandal behind possibly the biggest club match in football.If you enjoyed the podcast, please hit subscribe to never miss an episode - and please consider leaving us a five star review to help others find the show. Thank you! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for

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48:23

Sacchi's Football Revolution: Part Four - World Cup...

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2024/10/17

Join us for the final part of our special series on the shoe salesman who changed football forever: Arrigo Sacchi.In this episode of It Was What It Was, Sacchi comes to the end of his first spell at AC Milan and answers his country's call - managing the Italian national side at the World Cup in 1994 and Euro 96. This episode is the last in our series on Sacchi’s extraordinary career and his lasting mark on the sport. It starts with our Sacchi intro episode with Jamie Carragher (please go back and

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51:30

Sacchi's Football Revolution: Part Three - Creating...

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2024/10/15

It Was What It Was continues our special look into the life and career of one of football's greatest and most influential managers: Arrigo Sacchi.In this episode, Sacchi has finally arrived at AC Milan and, with a team of legends in the making, his greatest work is about to begin.This episode is part of our series on Sacchi’s extraordinary career and his lasting mark on the sport. It starts with our Sacchi intro episode with Jamie Carragher (please go back and listen if you missed it!).If you

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51:12

Sacchi's Football Revolution: Part Two - Small...

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2024/10/10

It Was What It Was continues the epic story of arguably the most important manager in modern football history: Arrigo Sacchi.In this episode, Rob and Jonathan explore Sacchi's rise through the coaching ranks. Sacchi earns his spurs in youth coaching, before his impressive work at Parma turns the head of Italian giants AC Milan, and their enigmatic owner Silvio Berlusconi.This episode is part of our special series on Sacchi’s extraordinary career and his lasting mark on the sport. It starts with our

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49:43

Sacchi's Football Revolution: Part One - The Making...

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2024/10/08

This week on It Was What It Was, we continue the epic story of arguably the most important manager in modern football history: Arrigo Sacchi.Following-up from last week's episode with Jamie Carragher (please go back and listen if you missed it!), Rob and Jonathan go back to Sacchi's roots and how his legend began.We discuss Sacchi's early years, from shoe factories to football coaching - and the family tragedy that changed the Italian's destiny and the destiny of European football.This episode is

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