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How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season

We often see the world not as it is, but as we are. So if we’re to view the world differently, we need to learn to see ourselves differently. Join David Achata, PCC, on ”How People Grow,” a podcast dedicated to shifting your perspective. Through insightful conversations with guests, co-hosts, and friends from his life, David explores the diverse ways we evolve in work, relationships, and spirituality. Discover how your unique lens shapes your experiences and learn to navigate life’s complexities

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54:49

Thomas Moore - Learning Your Soul's Language

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/10/05

What does it mean to learn the language of the soul? David sits down with bestselling author Thomas Moore, whose work has helped generations of people explore spirituality, mythology, depth psychology, imagination, and the arts. They talk about dreams, desire, nature, enchantment, and the mysterious ways the soul gets our attention—and what it might look like to listen deeply enough to become more fully who we are.Links: Learn more about Thomas Moore at https://www.thomasmooresoul.com/ To support

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63:19

Joe Steinke - Tending the Soul

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/09/28

What happens when we slow down long enough to hear what’s really happening within us?David sits down with spiritual director and longtime ministry leader Joe Steinke to explore the practice of tending the soul. They talk about spiritual direction, leadership, prayer, and the importance of creating space for what is often overlooked or hidden beneath the surface. Together, they explore what it means to walk through life with greater attentiveness, honesty, and care. Links: For Joe's work:

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27:31

David Achata - Crossing the Threshold

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/09/21

What happens when the life we expected suddenly changes?After not being accepted into a PhD program, David entered a two-day silent retreat—and in that liminal space, and had a dream of his grandfather in the Amazon of Peru. In this episode, David tells that story and how nine months later, he is preparing to travel to the very place he saw in that dream. In this episode, David explores what it means to cross a threshold, listen to what emerges in liminal spaces, and step into the unknown without

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64:13

Rev. Dr. Peter Traben Haas - Listening to Your Desire

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/09/14

What happens when we begin paying attention to the desires that keep calling us toward something deeper? David sits down with Rev. Dr. Peter Traben Haas to explore desire, spirituality, contemplation, and the mysterious process of becoming who we are. Together they ask what our deepest longings might be trying to tell us—and whether desire can become a kind of compass for the journey.Links: Learn more about Peter at https://petertrabenhaas.substack.com/ and check his books out here. To support

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52:05

Dr. Elizabeth Santiago - Answering the Call to Adventure

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/09/07

In this interview, David Achata speaks Dr. Elizabeth Santiago. She is a writer, educator, and mentor who teaches at Emerson College in Boston, where she works in literature, storytelling, and narrative. Through her work with The Untold Narratives, she has mentored emerging writers from diverse backgrounds in finding and telling the stories that matter to them.In this conversation, Elizabeth and David explore the Call to Adventure—the moment when something within us begins to stir and asks us to pay

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51:10

Stanley Pomianowski - How Stories Work

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/08/31

David sits down with filmmaker and storyteller Stanley Pomianowski, founder of Duck Duck Productions, to explore why the Hero’s Journey continues to show up across cultures, religions, films, and human lives. Stanley helps us see how stories mirror our own journeys of transformation—and what happens when we recognize that we may be living inside a story much larger than the one we thought we were writing.Links: Check out Stanely's book on story here. To support this podcast go to:

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35:09

Season 7 Introduction - How We Become Who We Are With...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/08/24

David Achata introduces the new season of How People Grow, Becoming Who We Are—an exploration of the inner journey of transformation. Drawing from the Hero’s Journey, Brian McLaren’s stages of faith, Richard Rohr’s Order → Disorder → Reorder, and the wisdom of writers like James Hollis and Rumi, David reflects on desire, identity, dreams, spiritual development, and the courage to listen to the life unfolding within us. This season asks a simple but profound question: What does it mean to become who

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64:50

John Perkins - Change Your Dreams & Choose Life Over...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/04/27

In the late 1960's John Perkins nearly died in the Amazonian Jungle of Ecuador... he was saved by a traditional healer and it changed his life.In this season finale episode, he shares his story. John Perkins is a New York Times bestselling author, international speaker, and activist best known for his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man and other works including The World Is As You Dream It. A former chief economist at a major international consulting firm, he advised the World Bank, United

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64:15

Francisca Santibanez - Listening to Plants & The...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/04/20

Can plants really teach? In this episode, I speak with Francisca Santibáñez, founder of Plant Spirit Talk, about plant communication, and her own journey of healing that reshaped her life. Raised across Brazil, Chile, and California, Francisca traces her lineage to the Tupi-Guarani people of Brazil and has spent over a decade studying plant healing with Shipibo teachers in the Peruvian Amazon, alongside other Indigenous lineages in Peru. We talk about how a severe health crisis became a turning

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74:03

Casey Church - Understanding the Power of Ceremony

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/04/08

Leonard “Casey” Church is a member of the Pokagon Band of Potawatomi Indians, of the Bear and Crane clans. A former U.S. Marine, he is a cultural practitioner, teacher, and spiritual leader who has spent decades working to restore Indigenous ceremony and identity in contemporary life. He’s the author of Holy Smoke and Native American Rites of Passage, and his work explores how ritual and ceremony can foster healing, belonging, and personal transformation.Today Casey joins us to talk about the role

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68:42

Lorena Saavedra Smith - Reweaving the Broken Soul

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/03/30

Lorena Saavedra Smith is the author of the new book, Awaken Your Roots: Reclaim Your Ancestry and Sovereignty by Heeding the Jaguar’s Call.Lorena is a Pacha Philosopher, an Eco-Psychologist, and a wellness consultant dedicated to helping individuals heal through ancestral wisdom, nature reconnection, and holistic well-being. She joins the podcast to share Pacha Philosophy, and her ideas on how to reweave the broken soul. Connect with Lorena at https://www.lorenasaavedrasmith.com/ To support this

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63:54

Damian Costello - The role of Visions & The Life of...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/03/23

Dr. Damian Costello joins us this week to talk about the role of visions in an indigenous worldview.Dr. Costello is an international expert on Nicholas Black Elk, a Lakota Medicine Man. Damian is the author of Black Elk: Colonialism and Lakota Catholicism, and holds a Ph.D. in theological studies from the University of Dayton. Currently serving as the Director of Postgraduate Studies at NAIITS: An Indigenous Learning Community, he focuses on the intersection of Indigenous traditions and Catholic

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64:25

Stephanie Goins - Walking in a Good Way

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/03/16

Dr. Stephanie Goins joins the show this week to share what it means to "Walk in a Good Way." Stephanie calls on her research working with former child soldiers in Sierra Leone, her work as a Psychologist, teacher, and more. Dr. Goins helps us understand in this episode some of the factors that come into play when we think about living in a good relationship with ourselves, the earth, and others. If you'd like to connect with Stephanie, you may email her here or connect with her on Linkedin. To

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62:54

Randy Woodley - The Harmony Way of Being & Governing

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/03/09

Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, Ph. D., is a farmer, activist/scholar, distinguished speaker, teacher and wisdom keeper who addresses a variety of issues concerning American culture, faith/spirituality, justice, race/diversity, regenerative farming, our relationship with the earth and Indigenous realities.In this episode, he talks with us about the Harmony Way of native cultures and how that impacts how we live with one another and even govern. Learn more about Randy Woodley at

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72:38

Danny Zacharias & Chris Hoklotubbe - Decolonizing the...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/03/02

In this episode, David Achata interviews Danny Zacharias & Chris Hoklotubbe's about their new book, Reading the Bible on Turtle Island: An Invitation to North American Indigenous Interpretation. Their book explores the historical and systemic dismissal of Indigenous worldviews within Western Christian circles, specifically how colonial practices labeled these cultures as "problematic" and stripped them of their theological value. Zacharias and Hoklotubbe believe that reasserting the dignity of

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49:31

Season 6 Introduction - What Indigenous Wisdom Can...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/02/23

Welcome back to Season 6 of the How People Grow Podcast. This season focuses on what indigenous wisdom could teach us today. In this introductory episode, David Achata overviews for us why this conversation is important and what the word "indigenous" means. David takes us on his own journey of embracing his native roots. He'll take us on a journey to the Andes Mountains, we'll learn from a Lakota Medicine Man, we'll talk about the Doctrine of Discovery and the importance of joining all parts of

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64:51

ANOTHER BONUS - Father Len Cowan: Discovering a...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2026/02/05

Father Len Cowan is a retired priest in the Anglican and Episcopal Churches. Today he runs the Abbey of the Way, a retreat center in Worcester, MA. Learn more about the Abbey here: https://www.abbeyoftheway.us/In this season five bonus episode, Len shares with us his fascination with the Irish and how he returns to Ireland regularly to learn of the life of St. Patrick and the unique form of Christianity that took root there. Len shares what a rooted Christianity looks like and encourages us to

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BONUS - David Achata: Was Bethlehem Strategic?...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2025/12/19

In this bonus episode, David Achata challenges us to look at the Holiday Season as a time to remember "The Religion of Jesus" vs. "The Religion about Jesus." Who were the Magi that came from a distance of 1600 miles? Why did they go to Jerusalem? What do their beliefs about power, wisdom and authority show us for our time today in 2025? As we finish 2025 and look ahead to 2026 - here's a Christmas message to contemplate. If you'd like to read the substack blog that comes with this podcast, go

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74:24

Choosing a Deep Life: Parker Palmer on Finding...

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2025/11/24

In our season finale, David Achata sits down with legendary author Parker Palmer to explore what it means to live a rooted life. Discover the wisdom of prioritizing faithfulness to your true values over the pressure of external effectiveness, and how integrity deepens as we grow old.In this episode, Parker Palmer quotes a poem by William Stafford. A Ritual to Read to Each Other If you don't know the kind of person I am and I don't know the kind of person you are a pattern that others made

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63:15

Jeff Vanderstelt - Coming Home to Yourself

How People Grow: Finding Wisdom in Every Season ·

2025/11/17

Jeff Vanderstelt is the Executive Director of http://saturatetheworld.com/ an organization committed to equipping the church to live out of its identity in every space and place. He also helped found the Soma Family of Churches and lives near Seattle, Washington with his wife Jayne, and their family. In this interview, Jeff shares his story of learning to be himself. After many years of personal work, Jeff reflects on his own life, changes, and his learning to be present to himself, to God and

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