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Making Creativity Pay

Welcome to ‘Making Creativity Pay’, this isn’t a podcast about making millions, more about speaking to people in creative industries whether that’s music, literature, art or anything that relies on creativity about how that ties in with making a living from it. The aim is not about selling out any creative endeavour but to ensure that there is at least some way to pay the bills and keep the lights on, money can be seen to be a vulgar part of the process but getting fairly paid for the time, effort

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00:38:16

Milo Edwards - How Revolting!

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/11/06

“I’ve basically walked backwards into having a day job” - Latest guest Stand-Up Comedian, writer and podcaster Milo Edwards. Milo has been a stand-up for over 10 years and has regularly performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and has released a number of specials on YouTube.We talk about his tour show “How Revolting! Sorry to Offend” that’s working its way around the country in 2025 and 2026, writing a show a year for the Fringe, the Trash Future podcast which has over 15k monthly paying subscribers as

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00:55:50

Slumber Parties and Fight Clubs with Charlotte Cropper

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/10/30

“ So we have a main rule at comedy club that there's no toilet humour because it's too easy, I can make a fart sound and the room will explode with giggles. So we try and really emphasize that it's about being clever. I want you to go home to your grownups, whoever's looking after you. And I want them to be like, I'm genuinely impressed that you've come up with that joke or that character or that sketch idea or whatever.”Comedian, Podcaster, Poet and more Charlotte Cropper.We

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01:02:30

Filmmaking and Video with Cinora's Ashley Catherine Dick

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2025/10/25

“ I used to tell people at primary school I was gonna be a film director when I grew up. I don’t know what happened in my childhood that made that happen but it was just a very strong determination and I think when I went to secondary school and people started sort of talking about their careers, I just had this feeling that, if I didn't try, I would always regret it."Ashley Catherine Dick founder of film company Cinora. We talk about how she got into filmmaking, how video and film differ

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00:36:56

Cheerful Earful and The Golden Lobes

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2025/10/11

“ We've done a couple of boat cruises with Brian Blessed called Overboard with Brian Blessed, which was great fun 'cause people just love being in the room with him.The first one we did on the Thames, we'd written this beautiful script about all of the facts about this, that and the other when we passed them on the river and he sort of had the piece of paper and went, what the fuck is this? And just literally threw it out the window and then just started telling stories for two hours.”

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00:24:38

Women in Comedy Festival - Aimee Perry

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2025/09/29

“ So it's full on promo, just trying to get the word out there. We are a non-for-profit festival. We don't get any funding, so it's pretty much just on myself and Jessica who's the director of the festival. getting out to all the cafes and putting the brochures out,... just kind of getting the city hyped up about the festival.” - Aimee Perry who is the Programmer for the Women In Comedy festival which starts in Manchester on the 2nd OctoberWe talk about the work that goes in to

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00:29:50

Dissecting Comedy - Laura Lexx and Oliver Double of...

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/09/24

This episodes guests are Comedian and Author Laura Lexx and Dr. Oliver Double, Reader in Comic and Popular Performance at the University of Kent.We talk about their new YouTube show and podcast "The Comedy Bureau" described as "set in afictional-but-familiar academic department within UNI - The University of Niche Interests.This dusty, underfunded - yet somehow still operating - department is staffed by two real-lifecharacters from opposite ends of the comedy world: full-time

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00:37:57

Zara Gladman - Good For Her

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2025/08/22

“TikTok is great for testing out new ideas really quickly and seeing what sticks and having those seeds of an idea, but writing an hour is completely different.So I'm able to build on those characters that I've tested out on TikTok but I've really enjoyed having a whole hour to carve out a whole story and weave in an arc and all of these kind of storytelling things.”Comedian Zara Gladman about her Fringe show and also her Sketch show Good For Her which aired on BBC Scotland and is also

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00:56:14

Gotta Be Stuart Laws

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2025/08/19

" I just wrote 40 pages, booked in a preview in October last year at the Bill Murray, knowing I didn't have an ending I was like, just do it, perform it, then chat to the audience. I even sold it as like, please don't come, to really thin out the people who were gonna go. So, I think we had like 30 people at the Bill Murray who were gathered, who were like the hardcore and wanted to see a play about a puffin."Stuart is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with a variety of shows

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00:43:31

Joz Norris - A Life's Work

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2025/08/14

" I think it's important to be strategic going into the fringe and to have goals and to be very clear with yourself about what those goals are. But I think you need to phrase them in ways that can always come back to something you are in charge of.So your goal can never be, I want to win an award, or I want to get a five star review because somebody else decides that. But you can, you know, move all those same things internally to be like, I want to make the kind of show where I have

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00:25:53

Sikisa - Serving Justice

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/08/11

Social Media is another job, I don’t need another job.Sikisa is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with her show Serving Justice, we discuss her being called the hardest working comedian on the circuit, her wrestling podcast and combining all this with a job as an immigration lawyer.We also talk about her taking part in Stuart Law’s film The Debuts that followed performers taking their debut shows to the Fringe.We recorded this on board The Tattershall Castle home of Boat Show Comedy Club in London,

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00:43:14

Rap Comedian Amelia Hamilton

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2025/08/10

When I first started introducing rap into comedy, I thought people would find it trickier to switch between the two, but they don't. I think people get used to, okay, we've got this rap, and then it stops, and then you move into doing standup, and then you do standup for a while, and then a rap comes in and it's a nice device to have as a comedian in terms of pacing and energy and keeping an audience engaged. - This episode's guest Rap Comedian Amelia Hamilton.Amelia is at the

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00:39:06

Kathleen Hughes - Twig

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2025/08/04

It's a welcome return to the podcast for Comedian and Writer Kathleen Hughes, Kathleen previously appeared on the podcast in an episode with Jay Lafferty ahead of last year's fringe. This episode was recorded earlier this year ahead of Kathleen’s final few performances of her 2024 Fringe show Cryptid, we talk about her experience at last year’s Fringe, the creative and financial reasons for taking on a two-year show cycle with having a shorter work in progress run of her new show Twig at

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00:39:35

MILF (Mom I'd Like to Find) - Candace Bryan

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/07/27

This episode is with writer and Comedian Candace Bryan. We talk about her show MILF (Mom I’d Like to Find), moving from a ‘Coward’s Hour’ in 2023 to Debuting with a full show this year, her decisions behind venue choice and ticket price as well as her experiences in Roast Battles and how her Work in Progress shows have helped shape this show.We also talk about her writing career and the balance between being a writer and a performer.Tickets:

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00:13:43

The Sentimental Value of a Half-Eaten Biscuit

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/07/16

“ every party we go to, every new person we meet, every workshop we're at, we plug the show which I think is always the way to go. Word of mouth.”This episode is with Sian Kayleigh on Pansy Productions about their upcoming show The Sentimental Value of a Half-Eaten Biscuit and the Psychological Ramifications of a Lost Hair Tie which is on at the Bread and Roses Theatre Clapham from 17th-19th JulyWe talk about how the show came together, why they picked the Bread and Roses Theatre, the

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00:36:55

Amanda Hursy - Carted

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/07/13

“ I've been in sales my whole life and I went for a promotion and my manager told me that I needed more confidence presenting and in true Glaswegian style, I thought, “is that right?” So I signed up to an open mic to prove him wrong and then I get booked back. So I've just kinda been going ever since” Out latest guest is Comedian Amanda Hursy. We talk about her upcoming Debut fringe show Carted, her experience as being one of the members of last years Best in Class cohort and what that

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00:37:49

Holly Spillar - Tall Child

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2025/07/07

“ Just before my first work in progress, I got really sick, had a chest infection so I couldn't go to work for four days because I was on antibiotics, and it was great because I couldn't talk but I could write the show, and so I ended up accidentally having time to write." - Our latest guest Holly Spillar. We talk about her experience as a finalist at this years Musical Comedy Awards, the importance of the Keep it Fringe Fund and the challenges faced by trying to balance work and

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00:38:24

More to Life - Aaron Wood

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2025/06/20

“ I described the show when I was trying to pin down a venue to say, what themes are touched on. I listed all the themes and I was like, I wouldn't come to this. I wouldn't go and see that show if it was written down like that.You've gotta sort of sell it in a different way. But when you're trying to apply to a venue, you need to be like, okay, so it touches on all this. So you read it like, Jesus Christ sounds dreadful. Sounds so depressing. But yeah, it's not. It's actually

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00:37:58

Emotional Anaesthetic - Gabriel Featherstone and Comedy

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/06/01

“ I encourage people to do standup comedy… 'cause when it goes really well, it is like the everything medicine. You know, I think if you blew off my legs with a cannon after a really good gig, I would be like, well, this is a nuisance. But this is still a good day for me.” We talk to Comedian Gabriel Featherstone about the preparations for his upcoming Fringe show “Robocop vs The Terminator vs Gabriel Featherstone” including the benefits and downsides of the Free Fringe vs Ticketed shows.We also

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00:30:00

Nerine Skinner and The Exorcism of Liz Truss

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/05/05

“ I genuinely thought that Liz Truss was a comedian, and I was jealous of her career because she was doing a better job at comedy than I was.” Actress and Comedian Nerine Skinner.We talk about Nerine’s experiences creating online videos and sketches and the influence Liz Truss has had on her career both in terms of creating videos for YouTube and TikTok as well as being a big part of her 2024 Edinburgh show ‘The Exorcism of Liz Truss’.We talk about the demands of creating topical comedy, her

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00:49:51

Comedy and Admin - Katie Palmer of Brass Tacks Comedy

Making Creativity Pay ·

2025/04/13

“ If Scottish comedians can't afford to go to the Fringe, then that's a crazy problem that we have.”I spoke with Comedy Director and Promoter Katie Palmer of Brass Tacks Comedy, we discuss the skills she brings to a number of performers at the Fringe and her work with Red Bull on creating the Brass Tacks Debut Fund (which since recording has been awarded to Ayo Adenekan).We talk about her aim to reduce a lot of the gatekeeping that exists around the Fringe and the difficulty even Scottish

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