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The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong

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5:32

Shredded: HrFlow.ai, Humanly, ZRG, TraqCheck,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/04/16

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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37:47

Radical Transparency with Allyn Bailey

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2026/04/14

Recruiting hasn’t just evolved—it’s being completely rewritten. For decades, the hiring process has been a "black hole" of static resumes and guarded information, but the walls are finally coming down.In this episode, Allyn Bailey (SmartRecruiters) joins Chad Sowash to expose why traditional systems are becoming irrelevant. They dive into the shift from isolated tech to AI-driven, data-connected ecosystems where agents live directly within your daily workflows. More importantly, they tackle the

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53:21

Grayscale Evolves & BLS Lies?

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2026/04/10

This week on HR's most dangerous podcast, Chad and JT are cutting through the seasonal slush and corporate spin.The BLS Fairy Tale: The White House is hailing a "golden age" of job growth, but we’re pulling back the curtain on a report filled with striking workers returning to payrolls and construction crews finally seeing the sun. The Agentic Takeover: Paylocity acquires Grayscale as the industry pivots from simple SMS pings to full-blown AI orchestration. Is this a high-value play or

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5:27

Shredded: Indeed, monday.com, Burger King, JPMorgan,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/04/09

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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34:47

Creating a Culture Where People (Actually) Matter:...

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2026/04/07

It’s the podcast your mom warned you about, and this week, Chad & Cheese are digging into the trenches of the medical imaging world with Josh Block, author of People Matter at Work. From the "FUNCY" streets of Muncie, Indiana, to unexpectedly becoming the president of a $30M family business over a single weekend, Josh shares his wild ride of scaling an organization to over $200M by betting everything on healthy culture.In this episode, the guys tackle why healthcare management is notoriously

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66:49

Mercor Hacks & Findem Smacks

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/04/03

Get ready for another round of high-stakes industry talk and "light-hearted" chaos on this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast. The boys are back, with Chad recapping a whirlwind UK tour of scotch and golf while revealing a brand-new tattoo that has Joel feeling a bit "cheated" on. Between Emi’s pivot from Sri Lanka to Brazil and a heated debate over whether they’d sell out their friends for a MrBeast-sized jackpot, the team dives into the heavy hitters: Oracle’s massive AI-driven layoffs and the

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5:28

Shredded: Allvia, HR Pals, Clasp, Origin, Aetheon,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/04/02

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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43:33

Recruiting Rewired

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/31

Is "Agentic Recruiting" the end of HR friction? Chad Sowash sits down with Shiran Yaroslavsky to discuss the shift from clunky dashboards to seamless AI orchestration. Shiran shares how to wake up "zombie" talent pools, slash ATS migrations from months to weeks, and build transparent, bias-monitored systems. It’s a masterclass in making AI work for the recruiter, not the other way around.

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74:36

Here's Why White-Collar Salaries are Collapsing

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/27

In this episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel Cheesman is joined by guest host JT O’Donnell for a candid, high-energy deep dive into the chaotic labor market of 2026. The duo kicks things off with "girl talk," debating the age-old GIF vs. Jif controversy and sharing a wild March Madness story involving a chance elevator encounter with a college coach. The banter quickly turns to the business of sports, exploring how NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals are shifting the coaching landscape and the

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5:55

Shredded: Findem, Glider AI, Paraform, Deel, Ezra,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/26

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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19:42

Hacking Jack & Jill

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/24

In this episode of "HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast," Joel and Chad sit down with Paul Price, CEO of CodeWall, to discuss a startling security demonstration involving the AI recruitment startup Jack and Jill. Price explains how his autonomous AI agents "chained" together several minor, trivial vulnerabilities to gain full access to the recruitment data of major companies like Monzo and Anthropic. The conversation takes a futuristic turn as Price describes how his AI began socially engineering Jack

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62:37

Indeed Desperation & Vibe-Coder Rise

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/20

The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back with another explosive episode, and this week, hosts Chad Sowash (when he's not beach-bound), Joel Cheesman, and Lieven dive headfirst into the escalating "cage match" between recruiting's two 800-pound gorillas: Indeed and LinkedIn.Is Indeed getting desperate? The trio dissects rumors of a bold (and highly suspicious) "spend-matching" pilot program—think a direct "Pepsi Challenge" aimed at poaching market share from LinkedIn. As Chad highlights, this incentive

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5:53

Shredded: Gumloop, Carefam, Jobplex, Her Scout,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/19

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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74:43

Break Everything with Rebecca Carr

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2026/03/17

Chad is back, this time in Mallorca, with Rebecca Carr who just dropped a Molotov cocktail on traditional recruiting. This isn’t “optimize your ATS” talk—this is burn it down and rebuild with AI agents running the show. SmartRecruiters went from “just another platform” to SAP’s shiny new weapon, and Rebecca’s here to explain how betting big on AI turned a commodity into a category killer. We dig into: Why ATS platforms are living on borrowed time How AI agents will replace interfaces

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72:03

(Yet Another) Death of the Resume Debate | Juicebox...

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2026/03/13

Buckle up for another chaotic ride with HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, where the banter is sharp, the takes are hot, and no industry sacred cow is safe from the slaughter. In this episode, Joel Cheesman, JT O’Donnell, and Maureen Clough (with a hit-and-run cameo from Chad Sowash) navigate a conversational minefield that stretches from high-stakes geopolitical dread to the gritty future of how we all get paid. The crew kicks things off with a dive into the "dark humor" of global escalations and movie

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6:14

Shredded: Korn Ferry, RED Global, LRB Group, Indeed,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/12

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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46:41

Ghosting, Grinding, and Getting Screwed: Job Search...

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2026/03/10

Strap in, HR tech fans, because it’s time for a reality check on the 2024 job market. On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, we’re tearing down a landscape that isn't just "shifting"—it’s being dismantled and rebuilt by AI and corporate "cost-cutting." Joined by industry heavy-hitters Jillian O’Malior and JT O’Donnell, we dive into the brutal reality of the "ghosting" epidemic, where qualified candidates are trapped in months-long interview loops that lead to nowhere. We explore why your

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61:39

Will ICIMS AI Coalesce?

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/06

This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the gang proves once again that you can’t separate HR from the real world—especially when the real world feels like it’s on fire. What starts as travel talk quickly spirals into global tension, disrupted plans, and a larger conversation about leadership in moments of chaos. Let’s just say when flights get rerouted and headlines get louder, it’s hard not to wonder how instability at the top trickles down to the rest of us. The trio doesn’t pretend to have

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6:13

Shredded: Elly, DHI Group, Block, iCIMS, Consello,...

The Chad & Cheese Podcast ·

2026/03/05

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

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35:44

Swiftynomics w/ Misty Heggeness

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2026/03/03

Get ready to punch the clock because the boys are back, and this time they’re bringing the data to the drama. In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, HR’s most dangerous duo sits down with Misty Heggeness, the powerhouse economist and author of Swiftynomics: How Women Mastermind and Redefine Our Economy. They’re diving deep into the messy reality of gender dynamics, from the "recognition gap" that leaves women’s best ideas stranded in the boardroom to the strategic masterminding required to

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