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Divergent States

Divergent States

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, skeptical conversations. Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest forum dedicated to the safe use of psychedelics, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show examines the science, culture, and contradictions shaping the psychedelic landscape.No mysticism. No marketing. Just data, lived experience, and hard questions.We explore how psychedelics impact mental health,

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84:38

Dennis McKenna: Nature, AI, and the Collapse of...

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2025/11/21

Dennis McKenna joins 3L1T3 and Valerie Beltran to discuss the future of psychedelics, indigenous knowledge, and whether we are ready to bring these tools into mainstream culture without repeating the extractive patterns of the past. We explore the gap between good intentions and real reciprocity, what Western psychedelic enthusiasm is missing, and how community-based practice may matter more than clinical models alone. We also dive into the first biomedical study of ayahuasca with the UDV, ho...

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69:25

Betty Aldworth: MAPS, MDMA, and the Battle Over...

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2025/11/05

In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Betty Aldworth, the new co-president of MAPS, as she steps into shared leadership with Ismail Ali following Rick Doblin’s four-decade run. Betty brings decades of experience in drug policy reform, from Colorado’s 2012 cannabis legalization campaign to leading Students for Sensible Drug Policy, and now helps guide MAPS through one of the movement’s most pivotal moments: the FDA’s rejection of Lycos Therapeutics’ MDMA-assisted therapy ap...

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76:54

David Bronner: Soap, Psychedelics, and the All One Ethos

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2025/10/22

Dr. Bronner’s Cosmic Engagement Officer David Bronner joins Divergent States for a candid, nuts-and-bolts conversation about building an “All One” company culture, pushing for psychedelic policy reform, and rewiring global supply chains to be fair, transparent, and regenerative. We trace the lineage from Rainbow Gatherings to Burning Man, from hemp activism to MAPS, and from commodity brokers to farmer-first vertical integration. Co-host therapist Valerie Beltran helps press on the tradeoffs:...

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62:26

Joe Moore on the Future of Psychedelics: From...

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2025/10/09

Psychedelics are no longer the fringe—they’re reshaping medicine, culture, and consciousness itself. In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Joe Moore, co-founder and CEO of Psychedelics Today, to explore the messy evolution of the movement: from the chaotic 1960s to today’s corporate clinics and grassroots revival. They trace Psychedelics Today’s origins, dive into the Vital training program, and discuss what it means to build trust in a scene that still distrusts ...

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39:12

Reggie Watts on Psychedelics, Creativity, and...

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2025/09/22

Comedian, musician, and improvisational genius Reggie Watts joins Divergent States for an unfiltered deep dive into psychedelics, creativity, and consciousness. From jamming on LSD and mushrooms to experimenting with dissociatives and even the Apple Vision Pro, Reggie opens up about how altered states shape his art, comedy, music, and worldview. We cover: Psychedelics in creative flow and improvisationDissociatives as “drug-induced float tanks”Saffron, ketamine, and unique mixes in performanc...

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36:57

Psychedelics at the Crossroads: Medicine, Politics,...

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2025/09/10

History shows politics can make or break psychedelic medicine, will we repeat the 1960s backlash, or finally move forward? In this episode of Divergent States, we explore the uneasy intersection of psychedelics and politics. MDMA remains a Schedule I drug—classified as dangerous with no medical use—while at the same time advancing through FDA Phase III trials. This contradiction highlights the limbo psychedelics face today: criminalized on one side, medicalized on the other. We revisit ...

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38:32

Compass Pathways: Independent Media Talks Psychedelic...

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2025/08/22

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Kabir Nath, CEO of Compass Pathways, and Dr. Steve Levine, Chief Patient Officer, to talk about the future of psychedelic medicine. From FDA approval and insurance coverage to patient access, cultural safety, and patents, we dig into whether Compass is truly disrupting the pharma model or just reinventing it. We also share a major community update: the official Divergent States Discord is now open to all of r/Psychonaut. Built by Brady and...

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69:22

Paul F. Austin: Mastering Microdosing and Unlocking...

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2025/08/07

In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan sit down with Paul F. Austin, founder of The Third Wave and the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. We dive deep into microdosing psychedelics, intentional use for peak performance, and the rise of psychedelic coaching as a professional path. Paul shares insights from his book Mastering Microdosing, his vision for conscious entrepreneurship, and how psychedelics are reshaping the way we think about healing, creativity, and human po...

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76:35

Amber Capone: Psychedelic Therapy, Ibogaine, and...

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2025/07/23

Amber Capone, co-founder and CEO of Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), joins us to share the powerful story behind her husband Marcus Capone’s recovery from combat-related PTSD and traumatic brain injury (TBI) through Ibogaine treatment. When traditional therapies failed, Amber took a leap of faith: one that led to a psychedelic intervention outside the U.S. that changed everything. In this episode, we explore the science and controversy surrounding Ibogaine, the limitations of VA...

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51:44

William Leonard Pickard - The Acid King, the Rose,...

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2025/07/04

What happens when the most hunted man in psychedelic history walks free and joins us for a conversation? In this deeply reflective episode of Divergent States, I sit down with William Leonard Pickard: chemist, philosopher, author of The Rose of Paracelsus, and the man once called the “Acid King.” After decades behind bars, Pickard returns with revelations about time, memory, suffering, redemption, and the spiritual cost of psychedelic pursuit. We discuss the rise and fall of the most infamous...

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63:38

Dr. Anne Wagner on Relational Healing - MDMA, PTSD,...

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2025/06/23

What if healing didn’t have to be a solo journey? In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 sits down with Dr. Anne Wagner, clinical psychologist, researcher, and founder of the Remedy Centre in Toronto, to explore how MDMA-assisted psychotherapy is transforming PTSD treatment by working with couples, not just individuals. From groundbreaking clinical trials to the lived reality of dyadic integration, Anne shares what she’s learning at the cutting edge of relational healing. This conver...

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38:01

Kyrsten Sinema on Psychedelics, Policy, and Veterans:...

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2025/06/13

In this exclusive interview, former U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema joins Divergent States to discuss the future of psychedelic medicine in American healthcare. From Ibogaine and PTSD to policy reform and bipartisan collaboration, Sinema opens up about her firsthand exposure to the healing potential of psychedelics through veterans' experiences - and why the time to act is now. We explore how veterans are pushing the policy frontier, what FDA and CMS approval would mean, and why even critics of t...

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51:58

Kevin Cranford – Behind the Curtain at MAPS: Culture,...

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2025/05/23

This week, we sit down with Kevin Cranford, Communications Officer at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), to talk about the upcoming Psychedelic Science 2025 conference — what’s new, what’s different, and why it’s shaping up to be more than just another gathering. From navigating hype vs. science to MAPS’ comms strategy, Kevin shares how the org is threading the needle between community storytelling, rigorous research, and avoiding another "Wellness Industrial Comple...

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58:07

Tom Feegel: Can Psychedelics Heal the Opioid Crisis?

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2025/05/07

In this powerful new episode of Divergent States, your hosts 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Tom Feegel—CEO and Co-Founder of Beond, a pioneering Ibogaine clinic based in Mexico, to discuss the unfiltered realities of healing, addiction recovery, and the evolving landscape of psychedelic-assisted therapy. Tom brings two decades of sobriety, a past life in global brand marketing, and deep experience navigating both the light and shadow of the psychedelic resurgence. This isn’t a conversation fu...

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48:10

Seven Principles of the Psychonaut w/ Valerie Beltran

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2025/04/24

What does it mean to be a responsible psychonaut? In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down again with Valerie Beltran, licensed therapist, harm reduction expert, and educator with the Zendo Project, to unpack 7 core principles for navigating psychedelic states with intention, safety, and compassion. We break down everything from testing your stash to dismantling your ego, and talk about how these powerful tools can help us grow: not just as individuals, but as a culture. 🔑 Topics we

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63:24

Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform

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2025/04/10

In this episode of Divergent States, we sit down with Alli Schaper, CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective, to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms. Alli shares her journey into microdosing advocacy, the challenges of navigating the gray market for psychedelics, and the urgent push for policy reform to ensure safe, legal access. We dive into the science behind microdosing, its profound benefits for mental health, creativity, and even athlet...

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65:56

JR Sawyers: A Filmmaker's Journey into Psychedelics -...

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2025/03/24

In this conversation, filmmaker J.R. Sawyers (A Trip Elsewhere) discusses his journey into the world of psychedelics and how it inspired his film exploring their therapeutic effects. He shares insights on the creative process, character development, and the importance of set and setting in psychedelic experiences. The discussion also touches on the future of psychedelics in therapy and the misconceptions surrounding their use. In this engaging conversation, J.R. Sawyers discusses his film 'A ...

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65:52

Exploring the Zendo Project: A Sanctuary for...

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2025/03/13

On this episode, we welcome Chelsea Rose and Valerie Beltran, CEO and Outreach Director respectively, with the Zendo Project! The conversation explores the Zendo Project, its origins, and its mission to provide emotional support and harm reduction services at festivals, particularly in psychedelic contexts. Chelsea Rose and Valerie Beltran discuss their roles within the organization, the importance of outreach, and the impact of their services on individuals experiencing difficult emotional states

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60:48

DylAlien - Exploring the Cosmic Giggle

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2025/02/23

In this episode, the hosts sit down with r/psychonaut's own Dyl👽Alien and discuss the influence of Goa Gil on trance music and the psychedelic experience. Dyl👽Alien shares his personal journey with psychedelics, music, and the evolution of the trance scene. The conversation explores the impact of social media on music culture, the role of psychedelics in personal growth, and the connection between music and altered states of consciousness. The hosts reflect on the importance of community

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46:30

Episode 5 - Wendy Tucker - Building Community Through...

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2025/02/11

In this episode of Divergent States, host 3L1T3 and co-host Bryan welcome Wendy Tucker from the Shulgin Foundation. They discuss the legacy of the Shulgin family, the mission of the foundation, and the importance of preserving the Shulgin Farm. Wendy shares insights into the therapeutic use of psychedelics, particularly MDMA, and its impact on veterans. The conversation also touches on community engagement, the role of women in psychedelics, and the significance of education and integration i...

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