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PODCAST

Never the Same

Dr. Tony Pisani

"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus" quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it"s not the same river and he"s not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The

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42:40

The Network Effect: Turning Protection into Connection

Never the Same ·

2025/11/24

In this special episode of Never the Same, we share the full keynote address from host, Professor Tony Pisani, delivered at the Suicide Prevention Australia Conference.Professor Pisani explores how the structure of our relationships—not just how supported we feel—can protect people from suicide risk. Drawing on studies in schools, the military, and health settings, he shows how strong, shared connections make a difference, especially when people don’t or can’t speak up.He introduces the

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81:24

Leadership Reflections—Western Australia Chief...

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2025/09/15

In this episode of "Never the Same," Tony Pisani sits down with two of Western Australia's leading mental health voices: Maureen Lewis, Mental Health Commissioner since 2023, and Dr. Nathan Gibson, Chief Psychiatrist since 2013. Together, they represent both the vision for reform and the clinical guardrails of accountability in Western Australia’s mental health system.The conversation explores their unique roles in the mental health landscape, from commissioning services to regulatory

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57:15

Prof. Pat Dudgeon's Groundbreaking Life and Work on...

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2025/08/11

In this inspiring instalment of Never the Same, host Dr Tony Pisani welcomes Professor Pat Dudgeon, the first Aboriginal psychologist in Australia and a global voice for First Nations mental health. Pat describes how confronting the racism in the system sparked her mission to “decolonise” psychology and build a new framework called Social and Emotional Wellbeing, a model that places self, family, community, culture, and Country at the centre of healing.Across the episode, Pat and Tony

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106:39

A Global Vision for Crisis Support: Alan Woodward's...

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2025/07/14

Alan Woodward has spent decades strengthening crisis services around the world — from answering calls on the Lifeline crisis line to advising government leaders and building new programs. In this episode, Alan reflects on what it takes to face hard moments, how crisis services save lives, and why kindness (to others and ourselves) matters more than we realise.Together, we explore the lessons Alan learned growing up in a coastal city in Australia, navigating career changes, managing anxiety,

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77:54

What about the Children? Five Values for Multiracial...

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2025/06/17

Nicole Doyley’s life and writing centre on one key question: What about the children?In this episode, Nicole reflects on growing up in a biracial family, her evolving racial identity, and the parenting values she developed as a result. She discusses transracial adoption, the impact of Black History Month, how culture shapes resilience, and why awareness and humility are essential for any caregiver.Nicole shares her family’s story, from her parents’ marriage in the 1960s (when their marriage

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106:54

Leading with Purpose: CEO Nieves Murray on Change,...

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2025/05/18

In this episode, Nieves Murray, CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia, joins Dr. Tony Pisani for an insightful conversation about leadership, equity, and personal transformation. From her early career in engineering to leading national suicide prevention strategy, Nieves brings a rich mix of personal stories, professional insights, and hard-earned wisdom.Key ThemesThe power of bilingual and bicultural identityLeadership lessons from aged care, finance, and suicide preventionChanging minds:

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30:59

Structured Support in Suicide Prevention with Jacinta...

Never the Same ·

2025/04/14

Welcome to the Never the Same Podcast! Today, we dive into the science of suicide prevention with Jacinta Hawgood, a clinical psychologist, senior lecturer, and researcher at Griffith University.Host Tony Pisani is joined by Jacinta, a leader in the field with nearly 25 years of experience, to discuss how structured approaches like the STARS Protocol are reshaping conversations about suicide. Together, they explore:How STARS (Systematic Tailored Assessment for Responding to Suicidality)

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45:14

When Young People Need Support: Conversations That...

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2025/03/18

In this episode, Dr. Tony Pisani, Kristina Mossgraber, and Dr. Melissa Dundas discuss the critical role primary care providers play in youth suicide prevention. They share personal insights, professional experiences, and practical strategies to support young people beyond just referrals to mental health services.They cover how to build trust with youth, recognize warning signs, and create a culture of safety within healthcare settings and communities. Whether you're a clinician, educator,

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70:44

When Your Work Finds You: Dr. Arielle Sheftall on...

Never the Same ·

2025/02/18

Dr. Tony Pisani interviews Dr. Arielle Sheftall, a leading researcher in youth suicide prevention, about the crucial issue of suicide among children and pre-teens. Dr. Sheftall shares insights from her work on understanding and preventing suicide in young people, particularly addressing the rising rates among Black youth. This conversation covers the importance of direct communication about suicide with young people, the role of cultural understanding in prevention, and how to build

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101:11

AI Scientists and the Humans Who Love Them with Dr....

Never the Same ·

2025/01/14

Welcome to the Never The Same Podcast! Today we explore whether AI can fundamentally transform the way we conduct scientific research, especially in the context of suicide prevention. Tony is joined by Dr. Ian Cero, a faculty member at the University of Rochester and expert in clinical psychology, statistics, and... debating! (Yes, he was a Minnesota state debate champion).Together, they tackle the question: can AI become a scientist in its own right? They dive into:How AI is being used

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94:08

Here with You: Supporting People with Substance Use...

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2024/12/10

This episode of Never the Same delves into addressing suicide concerns among loved ones who use substances. Featuring lived experience insights from Jack Stem and his daughter Kim, alongside Dr. Ken Connor (University of Rochester) and Morica Hutchinson (University of Connecticut), the conversation combines lived experiences and professional insights.The episode coincides with the release of a no-cost online training resource developed by SafeSide Prevention in collaboration with the UR

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165:53

The Psychology of Life and Suicide Prevention with...

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2024/12/03

The shift from traditional risk assessment to collaborative, person-centered care is reshaping suicide prevention. In this inaugural episode of Never the Same, Professor Tony Pisani sits down with Dr. David Jobes, creator of the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality (CAMS), to discuss this transformative approach. Dr. Jobes shares insights from decades of work with patients and offers a glimpse into the life-changing potential of CAMS: "You can find a way through an

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Trailer - Never the Same Podcast

Never the Same ·

2024/11/27

Welcome to “Never the Same,” where we explore how influential people and ideas have evolved over time and where they might go in the future. Reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.

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