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Fat Mascara

Jennifer Sullivan & Jessica Matlin

Beauty journalists Jessica Matlinand Jennifer G. Sullivan have insider access to the industry and they’re not gatekeeping. On Wednesdays, they talk candidly about beauty news, cultural trends, and the latest products and treatments. On Fridays, they get their high-profile guests to open up about their relationship to Beauty Culture and the inner workings of the industry. Join the duo that pioneered the beauty podcast for a smart, funny, totally unfiltered discussion of all things beauty on Apple,

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46:37

Ep. 580: Bye for Now

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/29

Jenn & Jess take a look back at some of the best moments in Fat Mascara history. We share stories about our celebrity guests, memorable moments from the past 10 years, shout outs to the super fans (you know who you are!), favorite interviews, bloopers, and more.We also give a huge and heartfelt thank you to our team at Redd Rock Music, especially Redd Yoachum and Enrique Hinojosa; our contributors, Garrett Munce and Julee Wilson; all our amazing guests; Embassy Row and At Will Media; and everybody

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29:43

Everybody Loves This Caroline Hirons Interview

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/23

This classic from the FM archives is our most popular interview ever. In it, skincare expert Caroline Hirons explains the right order to apply products and tells us how she really feels about “clean” beauty, INCI lists, the Environmental Working Group (EWG), the beauty-industry patriarchy, myths about pores, acid solutions, hyaluronic acid, and more. The interview originally aired in 2020. We’ll be back next week with a new and very special episode!Episode

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46:48

Ep. 579: What’s In Our Bags, Big News & The Week in...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/21

In this special episode, Jenn & Jess discuss big podcast changes ahead and then unpack their bags, in a segment sponsored by Maybelline New York and Acast Creative. We also have Gen Z (Fat Mascara’s intern, Lexi) talking beauty with Gen Alpha (11-year-old Nyah) and thoughts about what’s going on at Drunk Elephant. Plus: Ole Henriksen’s biopic; another beauty Roblox game; love for Ceremonia; and Jenn’s answer to the season’s butter yellow trend.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-579Products

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48:04

Ep. 578: Butt Skincare, Hyaluronic Acid & The Week’s...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/14

What random body part will Big Beauty make a product for next?! Jenn & Garrett talk about it: skincare for your butt, probiotic oral care, and a new hyaluronic acid injectable gel for dry eyes. Garrett shares personal news that inspires a conversation about the connection between beauty and mental health. Plus, we raise wands to Sofie Pavitt’s mandelic serum, zit stickers that double as bandages, a teeny-tiny electric razor, and the best sunscreen for people with acne.Episode

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55:24

Mental Health & Beauty with Dr. Afiya Mbilishaka

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/09

Beauty is a big part of today’s mental-health conversation, says psychologist, hair stylist, hair historian, and clinical therapist Afiya Mbilishaka, PhD. She’s here to talk about why hair (and caring for it) can be an entry point to mental-health services; why hair loss is so devastating; the importance of hairstylists in Black communities; and what’s really going on when someone gets breakup bangs. Plus, we talk about why hair is sacred in many cultures around the world, especially in the African

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37:38

Ep. 577: Beta Blockers, Caveman Skin & The Week’s...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/07

Jenn & Jess talk about what went on behind the scenes of this week’s Met Gala.Plus: caveman skin, TikTok’s newest trend (if you can call it that); what all the brides want in their hair this wedding season; new research on glutathione; a life-size scratch-and-sniff marketing campaign; Westman Atelier Bronzing Drops vs. Saie Cream-Balm Bronzer; and some fun Raise A Wands!Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-577Products mentioned in this episode: shopmy.us/collections/1635167Sponsor links & discount

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28:24

Maybe You Should Get That Mole Checked with Dr....

Fat Mascara ·

2025/05/02

You know that thing you’ve been meaning to see a dermatologist about? Now is the time to do it, says Deborah Sarnoff, MD, the president of the Skin Cancer Foundation. She’s here to bust some myths about sun protection, share her SPF knowledge, and explain exactly when, why, and how to get a skin check. This interview originally aired in 2019, but the advice and tips are timeless.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/dr-deborah-sarnoffProducts mentioned in this episode:

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55:26

Ep. 576: Colored Mascara, New Vitamin C Serums & The...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/30

Jenn & Julee try to figure out if they are colored-mascara people. But first: A new ($26!) vitamin C serum; the end of the SkinCeuticals CE Ferulic patent; salon owners are predicting a recession; Givaudan’s new Roblox game that teaches players about fragrance; pick-me-up products for pregnant people; a hammam-like shower set; and so much more.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-576Products mentioned in this episode: shopmy.us/collections/1597486Sponsor links & discount

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45:03

How to Think Positive with Beauty Pioneer Victoria...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/25

Victoria Jackson, the founder of No Makeup Makeup, was the first person to sell beauty via an infomercial. From there she built a makeup empire, became a medical trailblazer, and established a charitable foundation that helps fund research for neuromyelitis optica spectrum disorder (NMOSD). We talk to Victoria about her start in makeup, her thoughts on social selling and beauty today, what she loves about QVC, her bookstore, and, most importantly, how she tackles challenges and works through fear

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29:52

Ep. 575: Influencer Troubles, Conservative Beauty...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/23

Can you really call particular beauty trends conservative or liberal? Jess & Jenn discuss. Plus: Coachella is a wrap; Revolve faces a class action lawsuit for its handling of influencer endorsements; big hair is back; Jess found a facial device that does it all; and Jenn welcomes a very special 10-year-old to the virtual studio to Raise (or Lower?) A Wand.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-575Products mentioned in this episode: shopmy.us/collections/1569009Sponsor links & discount

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55:21

Scents and the Soft Life with Sir Candle Man

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/18

Kudzi Chikumbu (aka @SirCandleMan), your bougie uncle of fragrance,shares the story of how he became a candle connoisseur. We talk about the $8 candle that he can’t get enough of, wick-trimming, waxes, why he doesn’t believe in a signature scent, the best-smelling hotel in the world, and so much more. Plus: His favorite Bath & Body Works candles and the Loewe candle we agree might be worth the money.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/sir-candle-manProducts mentioned in this episode:

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52:40

Ep 574: Skin Tech, Tattoourism & The Week’s Beauty News

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/16

Garrett joins Jenn in the virtual studio to discuss where beauty culture is headed next: skincare for GLP-1 users; good news in animal testing; the futuristic work of Cornell’s Hybrid Body Lab; the best way to do a “moisture sandwich” to decrease retinoid irritation; and an encapsulated cannabidiol (CBD) cream that prevents UVA-induced damage. We also chat about free tattoos from a hotel chain, how U.S. tariffs are affecting beauty prices around the world, and the best bedtime body wash. Plus, the

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32:04

Jennifer Aniston, Welcome to Fat Mascara!

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/11

Actress, producer, and founder of Lolavie, Jennifer Aniston, is in the studio for a fun and freewheeling chat with Jess and Jenn. We talk about how beauty culture is portrayed in her movies; her first audition; her best and worst haircuts; the ways her mom influenced her health and beauty choices; her dogs; how she decides which brands she wants to work with; and what’s coming next from Lolavie, her nature-inspired, science-backed hair line.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/jennifer-anistonProducts

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37:03

Ep. 573: Southern Hospitality, Meghan Markle’s Makeup...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/09

We’re on location at Montage Palmetto Bluff, in South Carolina, and sharing tips we learned at our masterclass with facialist Fatma Shaheen, the founder of Skin Design London. Relax with us and learn some techniques for draining your lymphatic fluid and releasing tension in your face. Plus, let’s talk about the beauty products Meghan Markle recommends on her ShopMy page; beauty trends based on political ideologies; the return (LOL) of leg shaving; scented bookmarks; and a fab leave-in

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41:55

Ep. 572: Body Diversity, TikTok Perfumes & Our People...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/04/02

Jess and Jenn get excited about being included as a best podcast nominee in People magazine’s Read Choice Poll, and then there’s lots of beauty news to cover. A new body-diversity report reveals that fashion models are getting skinnier, and the five best-selling perfumes on TikTok may surprise you. Plus, Kim Cattrall’s beauty campaign; changes at Supergroup; the Hairbrained Awards; highlights from FounderMade’s Future of Beauty Awards; rumors about dirty bathhouses in New York City; an amazing

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57:46

How Not to Smell & Spring Cleaning Tips with Madame...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/03/28

Why doesn’t natural deodorant always work? How do you prevent bad breath? What’s the best way to clean a mattress? Why do feet get so smelly? Social media sensation Madame Sweat—aka, Mary Further, the founder of Kaia Naturals—is here to answer all those questions. Plus, she explains how she became the internet’s expert on hygiene and etiquette, her favorite ways to fragrance a home, why she uses a sweat powder on her sheets, and more.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/madame-sweatProducts mentioned

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49:15

Ep. 571: The Intersection of Beauty & Sports,...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/03/26

Jenn and Julee talk about all the brands sponsoring women’s sports leagues this year—and the athletes who bring the best looks. Plus, Jenn’s experience at The Othership bathhouse; Julee’s latest celebrity encounter; the FDA’s voluntary recall of acne products due to elevated levels of benzene; a perfume you can lick (if you want to?); a pelvic wellness brand from Diva Cup; the Shark Beauty LED face mask; and Tilt, a new beauty brand with comfy, grippable packaging that received The Arthritis

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25:54

Drag Queen Beauty Secrets with Bianca del Rio

Fat Mascara ·

2025/03/21

Bianca del Rio, aka Roy Haylock, is a comedian, drag queen, and winner of the sixth season of RuPaul's Drag Race. This is one of Fat Mascara’s first celebrity interviews (it originally aired in 2016) and it’s surprising how relevant it remains today! Bianca talks about how drag culture influences pop and beauty culture, and shares celebrity gossip, beauty tips, and her opinions on everything from politicians to plastic surgery.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/bianca-del-rioProducts mentioned in

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Ep. 570: The White Lotus Look, Breast Implant Sponcon...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/03/19

Garrett joins Jenn to discuss the look of the White Lotus ladies—and what the Thai resort where it’s filmed is really like (yes, Garrett visited). Plus, we’re talking about the latest skincare and sunscreen news from the American Academy of Dermatology meeting; Meghan Trainor’s branded content campaign for a breast implant company; multitasking sunscreens; and a low-key amazing pencil for lips and eyes.Episode recap:fatmascara.com/blog/ep-570Products mentioned in this episode:

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54:41

Perfumer Francis Kurkdjian on Art, Commerce, and Dupe...

Fat Mascara ·

2025/03/17

From his Paris atelier, the mastermind behind Baccarat Rouge 540, Narciso Rodriguez for Her, and Jean Paul Gaultier Le Male dishes on his greatest hits and (a few) misses.Francis Kurkdjian, who co-founded Maison Francis Kurkdjian with Marc Chaya, reveals his unexpected path to perfumery, gets real about dupe culture, and explores the delicate balance of being both an artist and entrepreneur.Plus, he discusses how his creative process shifts between personal passion projects and commercial

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