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It"s a Numbers Game

The MSP Finance Team Podcast "It"s a Numbers Game" from the only financial management solution for MSPs in the UK, founded by former MSP-owners.

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31:58

EP130 – 14 MSP Acquisitions in 4 Years – What Buyers...

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2026/04/05

Dave joins the podcast to discuss Flotek's M&A journey, having completed 14 acquisitions in three and a half years, and argues the MSP market is diverse, fragmented, and active, with frequent inbound opportunities. He explains deal sourcing through SEO, brokers, network reputation, and supplier referrals, and stresses sellers should do due diligence on buyers. Flotek prioritises cultural and values alignment before numbers, then evaluates stability, cash flow, customer loyalty, customer

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35:10

EP129 – Why Most MSPs get PR wrong with Rahme Mehmet

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2026/03/28

In this episode, the hosts Adam and Daniel are joined by PR consultant Rahme to discuss an upcoming 2026 collaboration and unpack what PR means for MSPs and vendors: public relations as audience-focused communication that builds reputation, brand awareness, and relationships with influencers such as reporters, editors, analysts, and advisors. They contrast PR with marketing, using a white paper as an example of content that marketing deploys for lead generation while PR uses it to pitch thought

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35:30

EP128 – Using the Working Genius Model to Build...

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2026/03/22

Chris joins Daniel and Adam to discuss Patrick Lencioni's Working Genius assessment, a 40-question framework about where people get energy and joy at work, contrasting it with tools like Myers-Briggs and DISC (communication preference). He explains the WIDGET model: Wonder (identify gaps), Invention (generate ideas), Discernment (judge ideas), Galvanizing (rally action), Enablement (help others move work forward), and Tenacity (drive to completion), plus how each person has two geniuses, two

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28:02

EP127 – Loneliness is the tax you pay for autonomy

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2026/03/12

Loneliness Is the Tax You Pay for Autonomy: The Hidden Cost of Business Ownership Adam and Daniel depart from the usual guest format to discuss the often-ignored loneliness of business ownership, especially in MSPs. They frame autonomy as rewarding but inherently tied to responsibility, asymmetrical relationships, and an unshared cognitive load that leaders can't fully offload to employees or spouses. Adam reads an essay, "Loneliness is the Tax You Pay for Autonomy," arguing loneliness is a

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33:18

EP126 – Becoming the Chief AI Officer for Your...

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2026/03/07

In this episode, we welcome Nils, co-founder of Ironbridge, to discuss the transformative potential of AI for Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Nils shares his extensive background and experience in scaling businesses and investing in tech startups. He elaborates on how MSPs can leverage AI to revolutionise their operating models, scale efficiently, and deliver new, high-value services. The conversation covers the transition from traditional IT infrastructure to AI-driven solutions, the importance

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29:41

EP125 – The Apple MSP Conference You've Never Heard...

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2026/03/01

Join us as we chat with Justin Esgar about the ACEs Conference, an event designed to help MSPs (Managed Service Providers) grow their businesses with a focus beyond just technological skills. Justin shares his journey in founding the conference, designed originally for Apple consultants but open to all. He talks about the unique business-oriented aspects of the conference, the importance of non-technical skills, and the vibrant community it nurtures. Additionally, he discusses the scholarship in

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35:19

EP124 – What Does a New Client Really Cost with...

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2026/02/22

In this podcast episode, Nicola Moss, a marketing expert, discusses effective budgeting strategies for marketing within Managed Service Providers (MSPs). She highlights the differences in budget allocation and approaches between small and large MSPs and provides a practical guide on setting annual marketing budgets based on percentages of turnover and desired outcomes. Nicola emphasises the importance of consistent spend and strategic investment in various marketing activities, including events,

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33:32

EP123 – Selling Hardware Without the Pain or the...

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2026/02/15

In this episode, Alicia discusses her role as a hybrid distributor and manufacturer within the Wortmann Group, focusing on Terra branded devices and their distribution of over 10,000 SKUs from various major brands. The conversation delves into supply chain issues exacerbated by the pandemic and the Windows 10 support cessation, and how Terra positions itself against tier-one brands like HP, Dell, and Lenovo. Alicia highlights the importance of future-proofing devices, maintaining robust MSP

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32:15

EP122 – If MFA Stops 99% of Attacks… Why Are...

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2026/02/01

In this episode, the Adam and Daniel welcome Al Lakhani a cybersecurity expert, to discuss the revolutionary MFA 2.0 technology. Al explains how traditional MFA (Multifactor Authentication) methods, known as MFA 1.0, are vulnerable to credential phishing attacks, highlighting recent breaches by the Shiny Hunters group. He introduces MFA 2.0, which utilises public key cryptography to eliminate passwords and ensure device-based identity verification, preventing attacks effectively. The conversation

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30:37

EP121 – Using AI to Solve Real MSP Problems with Roy...

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2026/01/17

In this episode, Roy Castleman joins the podcast to share insights from his extensive experience in leveraging AI to run multiple businesses. The conversation delves into practical applications of AI, the challenges of selecting the right tools amongst many, and optimising AI usage through clear communication and iterative prompting. Roy emphasises the importance of understanding AI as an enhancement tool rather than a replacement and details a method of using AI to form a 'virtual board of

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34:41

EP120 – Selling Cybersecurity to Clients Who Think...

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2026/01/11

In this episode, Adam Pilton from Heimdal discusses his role in educating and supporting MSPs and small businesses on cybersecurity. He shares his unique perspective drawn from a 15-year career in law enforcement and as a Cyber Essentials auditor. The conversation covers the importance of storytelling, recognising and mitigating risks, maintaining cybersecurity standards like Cyber Essentials, and building trust-based client relationships. Practical strategies for engaging clients and the

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34:59

EP119 – How MSPs Should Start With AI Today with...

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2026/01/02

In this episode, Fiona discusses the rapid advancements in AI, especially in the Managed Service Provider (MSP) sector. The conversation delves into how AI avatars are surpassing human avatars in social media, the adaptation of MSPs to AI technologies, and the importance of staying updated in the swiftly changing AI landscape. Fiona recalls past initiatives like the Mentori Program which helped navigate industry transformations and compares it to current AI integration. She emphasises the need for

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29:06

EP118 – Confidence, Change and Better Decisions with...

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2026/01/01

In this engaging episode, hosts Daniel, Adam and guest Graham Norris explore their personal journeys within the Toastmasters program, highlighting its significant impact on their public speaking skills and confidence. They share stories about overcoming initial fears and discuss how repeated practice at Toastmasters helped them become better communicators. Graham describes how his experience with Toastmasters led him into a career as a professional speaker and organisational psychologist. The

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32:22

EP117 – Consolidate, Certify, Comply: Jason Kemsley's...

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2025/12/31

In this episode, host Daniel welcomes Jason Kemsley to discuss the evolving landscape of Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Jason shares his insights on the three Cs that will define successful MSPs by 2026: Consolidation, Certification, and Compliance. The conversation explores the importance of niching down and standardising operations to thrive in a competitive market. They also delve into how certifications can enhance credibility and the role of compliance in achieving market leadership. The

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31:48

EP116 – Why Your MSP Contracts Are Costing You Profit...

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2025/12/15

In this podcast episode, Adam, Daniel, and Anne discuss the significance of legal agreements for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and how they impact EBITDA. They discuss the inherent risks MSPs face, the importance of proactive use of contracts, and common pitfalls like revenue leakage from services out of scope. The conversation highlights the need for MSPs to educate their clients and align internal processes with contractual commitments. They emphasise that contracts are not merely for

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40:30

EP115 - Building Trust with Effective Case Studies...

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2025/12/04

In this episode, industry expert Rob joins the hosts to discuss the significance of high-quality, effective case studies for Managed Service Providers (MSPs). The conversation delves into the current state of case study usage among top UK MSPs, revealing that while many are embracing both written and video formats, there is still a lot of room for improvement. Rob outlines the primary benefits of case studies, emphasising their role in building trust and credibility. He also differentiates between

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41:38

EP114 – MSP Show 2025 - M&A Masterclass - Positioning...

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2025/11/22

In this informative session, Adam and Dan delve into the intricate world of mergers and acquisitions (M&A) specifically tailored for Managed Service Providers (MSPs). Recorded live at the MSP Show 2025, returning for a second year to the London exhibition, the duo builds upon last year's discussion on valuations and management accounts to explore negotiation tactics and heads of terms. They aim to share insights on due diligence and deal completion in future sessions. The script includes a unique

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36:17

EP113 – Streamlining MSP Billing and Eliminating...

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2025/11/11

In this episode, Colin returns to discuss the intricate challenges MSPs face regarding billing reconciliation. He explains how MSPs struggle with managing a wide spectrum of resold products and the dynamic nature of SMB customers. Colin introduces a new 'done-for-you' reconciliation service designed to simplify this task, reflecting on its development origins and the benefits it offers. The conversation delves into how accurate billing and reconciliation can prevent overbilling and underbilling,

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38:41

EP112 – Open Banking and the End of Traditional...

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2025/11/10

In this episode of It's A Numbers Game, hosts Adam Morris and Daniel Welling discuss the future of payments with open banking expert Kevin Ludford. The conversation delves deep into the advancements and benefits of variable recurring payments (VRP) for managed service providers (MSPs). Kevin explains the transformation occurring in payment collections, particularly the shift from traditional direct debits to VRP, which offers faster, more secure transactions and improved cash flow for businesses

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41:45

EP111 – How to build an MSP Sales Engine with Graham...

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2025/10/26

In this podcast episode, host Daniel Welling catches up with former colleague Graham to discuss their shared history and Graham's career journey, from his early days at Solsis to his significant role at NewCMI and beyond. The conversation explores the evolution of Managed Service Providers (MSPs), touching upon Graham's transition from a techie at HP to a business owner, and eventually into a sales and marketing role. Key topics covered include the distinctions between selling to large versus small

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