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Deep Learning Dialogues

Katrina Gouett and Whitney McKinley

Welcome to "Deep Learning Dialogues," the essential podcast for K-12 educators diving into the transformative world of generative AI. In each episode, we bring you insights from experts at the forefront of this innovative technology. We will explore how GenAI can be used in a human-centered way to foster equity, inclusion, and belonging in the classroom.Follow us on Instagram @WCDSBInnovates or head over to https://innovate.wcdsb.ca/ for all things Innovation.This is a Waterloo Catholic District

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38:46

The First Draft: Preserving the "Friction" of Human...

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2026/04/02

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett are joined by Dr. Alec Couros to discuss the vital role of "productive struggle" in an era of instant AI outputs. Dr. Couros breaks down the concepts from his viral article, "The Shortcut That Costs Us Everything," warning against a "reverse-Bloom’s Taxonomy" where students analyze AI text without ever learning to compose it themselves. The conversation explores how to "protect the first draft" as a sacred space

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33:36

Levity and Learning: AI Leadership at St. Benedict CSS

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2026/03/27

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett are joined by Jordan Figueiredo the principal of St. Benedict Catholic Secondary School. Jordan shares his leadership stance on artificial intelligence, moving beyond simple "guardrails" to foster a culture of curiosity and vulnerability among his staff. The conversation explores how to manage the "ping-pong" effect of innovation and how to establish the psychological safety necessary for educators to move from

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54:30

Students Leading the Way with Benny's Innovator Group

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2026/03/19

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett visit St. Benedict Catholic Secondary School in Cambridge, Ontario to speak with the creators and members of the Benny's Innovator Group (BIG). This student-led initiative, facilitated by teachers Lindsay LeBeau and Lisa Wollziefer, focuses on bringing AI literacy to the school community through interactive workshops. The conversation explores the importance of peer-to-peer learning, where students act as

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1:01:17

An AI Dialogue with Student Voice at the Center

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2026/03/13

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, educator Rosie Curie and three of her students Savannah, Dani, and Lilly, discuss the evolving role of generative artificial intelligence in the classroom. Moving away from traditional, rigid rules, the conversation highlights a collaborative approach toward AI literacy, transparency and what it the purpose of school and learning. Rosie and her students describe a sketch note lesson about the illusion of an assignment that helps frame the conversation

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28:52

From Zero to Infinity: AI Transparency in the Classroom

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2026/03/13

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett dive into the heart of academic integrity in the age of generative AI. Moving away from the "policing" mindset of AI detectors, they introduce the Zero to Infinity scale, a research-based, WCDSB-specific framework designed to bring transparency to the classroom. The conversation highlights how this five-zone tool was refined with WCDSB teachers and students. By focusing on "formation over automation," the hosts discuss

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48:11

Educators: the Chaperons of Knowledge

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2026/03/07

In this episode, entrepreneur and AI literacy advocate Kate Arthur explores the evolving landscape of education, challenging the traditional model of the teacher as a "knowledge keeper". She suggests a transition toward becoming a "chaperone of knowledge" who guides students through a world where AI often serves as the primary information source. The conversation explores the importance of human agency, the physical and environmental realities of the "cloud," and why AI literacy must be treated as

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28:32

Why We Still Teach the Basics When AI Can Do It All

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2026/02/19

This episode of Deep Learning Dialogues explores the seismic shifts in education and global power triggered by the "step change" in agentic AI. Dr. Mark Daly introduces the "Tower of Abstraction," a metaphor for how technology evolves to hide complexity, and argues that teaching foundational skills like coding and essay writing remains essential, not for the final product, but to build the mental "muscles" required to think and structure logic. The conversation moves from the classroom to the global

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42:42

The Alignment Problem: Bridging the Gap Between Tech...

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2026/02/12

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett explore the complex intersection of artificial intelligence and human values with Father Philip Larrey. Under the title "The Alignment Problem: Bridging the Gap Between Tech and Tradition," the conversation delves into the philosophical distinction between a machine's ability to "select" and a human's capacity to "choose". Father Larrey shares insights from his extensive work with Silicon Valley leaders and the

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46:27

Navigating EDSTA: A New Era of Digital Security in...

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2026/02/06

In this episode, Patricia Kosseim discusses the landmark Enhancing Digital Security and Trust Act (EDSTA). The conversation explores the shifting landscape of student privacy in the age of generative AI. Commissioner Kosseim shares use cases regarding unauthorized "Shadow AI" and offers a roadmap for educators to empower students with the data hygiene skills necessary to navigate a transparent digital future. You can read the article here.Patricia Kosseim is the Information and Privacy Commissioner

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40:04

The Heart of the Classroom: WCDSB’s Faith-Based...

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2026/01/01

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, WCDSB Director of Education Annalisa Varano explores the intersection of faith, leadership, and generative AI within the Waterloo Catholic District School Board. Adopting a human-centered vision, Varano emphasizes that AI is a tool designed to enhance the sacred relationship between educators and students. The conversation delves into how WCDSB uses Catholic Social Teachings as a "litmus test" for new technology, ensuring every innovation honors human

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1:00:51

From AI Aware to AI Fluent: Practical Steps for...

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2025/12/18

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett explore the practical steps required for educators to move from being "AI aware" to "AI fluent". Guest Meghan Hargrave discusses how to bridge the digital divide by integrating generative AI into K-12 classrooms with a focus on purpose and pedagogy rather than just buzzwords. The conversation covers actionable strategies for using AI as a "thought partner" for tasks such as creating formative assessments and

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48:41

Encountering AI with a Moral Compass: Faith, Ethics,...

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2025/12/11

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett engage with Giancarlo Brotto, an educator and AI advocate, to explore the intersection of education, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They discuss the importance of viewing AI as a gift that should serve humanity, the varying perspectives of students and educators on AI, and the need for moral discernment in its use. The conversation emphasizes the role of educators in guiding students through the complexities

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36:45

Redefining Tech Education: Inside Mila’s AI for Good Lab

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2025/12/04

In this episode, hosts Katrina Gouett and Whitney McKinley welcome Jennifer Addison, Project Manager for the AI for Good Lab at Mila, Quebec’s artificial intelligence institute. Jennifer details the lab’s mission to equip women and gender-diverse individuals with the skills to build machine learning projects, fostering a more inclusive tech culture and inspiring leaders to use AI for social good. The conversation explores the power of curiosity-driven learning and the importance of creating safe,

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40:58

EQAO’s Human-Centered Approach to Artificial...

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2025/11/28

In this week’s episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett are joined by Dr. Jennifer Hove, Director of Data and Reporting at EQAO, to navigate the complex intersection of artificial intelligence and large-scale assessment. Dr. Hove outlines the agency’s "slow and steady" roadmap to AI adoption, emphasizing a human-centered framework where Ontario educators remain the primary drivers of assessment creation and scoring. The conversation explores how EQAO is looking

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29:51

Walking Quietly with AI: Medicine Wheel Teachings for...

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2025/11/22

In this conversation, we explore how Indigenous governance and cultural frameworks can guide ethical technology use in education. Sherri Cecchetto introduces the Medicine Wheel as a holistic lens for approaching AI in K–12 classrooms—emphasizing reflection, relationship-building, and responsibility over speed and profit. Together, we unpack themes of digital sovereignty, environmental impact, and the importance of slowing down to make intentional choices about technology. This episode challenges

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32:14

Braiding Knowledge: Indigenous Law Meets AI in Education

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2025/11/13

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett sit down with Taryn Michel, an Indigenous educator, law scholar, and community leader, to explore the intersection of Indigenous knowledge systems and artificial intelligence in K–12 education. Taryn shares her journey as a professor in the Bachelor of Indigenous Social Work program at Laurentian University and offers insights into Indigenous data sovereignty, ethical AI use, and the importance of relational

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31:54

AI and the Heart Work: Indigenous Wisdom in a Digital...

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2025/11/06

In this powerful episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, we continue our conversation with Dr. Taima Moeke-Pickering, Director of the School of Indigenous Relations at Laurentian University. This episode explores how educators can ethically and respectfully integrate AI into K–12 classrooms while honoring Indigenous knowledge systems. Dr. Moeke-Pickering shares insights on land-based learning, trauma-informed pedagogy, and the importance of “showing up” with intention and care. This episode is a call to

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51:49

Digital Land Back: Indigenous Teachings for AI Justice

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2025/10/30

In this powerful opening to a four-part series, hosts Whitney McKinley and Katrina Gouett sit down with Dr. Taima-Moke Pickering, Sheri Cecchetto, and Taryn Michel from Laurentian University’s School of Indigenous Relations to explore how artificial intelligence intersects with Indigenous law, land, and sovereignty. This conversation challenges listeners to rethink AI not as neutral, but as deeply tied to land, community, and responsibility. Through Indigenous teachings, legal frameworks, and

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46:03

The Disengaged Teen: Reimagining Student Engagement...

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2025/10/23

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, hosts Katrina Gouett and Whitney McKinley welcome award-winning journalist and author Jenny Anderson to explore the urgent challenges of student disengagement and the transformative potential of generative AI in education. Drawing from her book The Disengaged Teen: Helping Kids Learn Better, Feel Better, and Live Better, Jenny shares insights into the four dynamic modes of learning—passenger, achiever, resistor, and explorer—and how educators can help

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1:00:55

Privacy Empathy in the Age of AI: How the IPC is...

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2025/10/16

In this episode of Deep Learning Dialogues, we sit down with Patricia Kosseim, Ontario’s Information and Privacy Commissioner, to explore the critical intersection of student privacy, educational technology, and artificial intelligence. From the challenges school boards face when negotiating with EdTech vendors to the ethical complexities of AI in classrooms, Commissioner Kosseim offers expert insights and practical guidance for educators. We discuss the importance of “privacy empathy,” the role of

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