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Agency Leadership Podcast

Chip Griffin and Gini Dietrich

The Agency Leadership Podcast provides insights for agency owners and executives. Co-hosts Chip Griffin and Gini Dietrich share practical advice and industry news relevant to PR and marketing agency leaders.

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22:47

The PESO Model evolves for the AI era (and why your...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2026/02/17

The PESO Model has been guiding smart communications strategies for over a decade, but the tactical landscape underneath it keeps shifting. In the latest evolution, Gini and her team have completely revamped the PESO Model Certification to address how AI and large language models are fundamentally changing visibility in 2026. In this episode, Chip interviews Gini about the newly updated certification and what's changed in how organizations should think about paid, earned, shared, and owned media

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25:28

Building the ideal agency: wrestling with the tough...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2026/02/10

David C. Baker recently published a fascinating thought experiment about what he'd do if starting an agency from scratch today—and it's packed with provocative ideas worth serious consideration. His article offers a comprehensive blueprint covering everything from organizational structure to compensation philosophy, and much of it aligns with how Chip and Gini think about building sustainable agencies. But the most interesting conversations happen when smart people disagree, which is why this

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23:36

Wake up or get left behind: AI is forcing your hand

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2026/02/03

No more excuses. No more waiting to see how things play out. AI has moved past the experimental phase, and if you're still treating it like a nice-to-have rather than a fundamental shift in how your agency operates, you're already falling behind. In this episode, Chip comes out swinging with a wake-up call for the agency community: the ground is shifting faster than most are willing to admit, and the window for meaningful adaptation is closing. Gini backs him up with examples of how AI has

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20:39

Stop letting your website embarrass you

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2026/01/20

You built an agency you're proud of. So why does your website still feature that glowing tribute to someone you wouldn't recommend today, or explain services you stopped offering three years ago? In this episode, Chip and Gini tackle the unsexy but critical task of auditing your agency's website content. They share practical approaches for identifying what needs updating, what deserves deletion, and how to prioritize your efforts when you're staring down hundreds (or thousands) of outdated pages

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20:24

Rediscovering your agency's founding spark

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2026/01/13

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the importance of agency owners reflecting on the reasons they started their businesses and how those motivations can inform current strategies. They share personal anecdotes about the challenges and growth experiences in their early days of agency ownership. They emphasize the value of going back to basics, understanding what initially led to success, and aligning business strategies with personal passions and strengths. The duo also highlights the

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22:33

Embracing innovation to survive and thrive in 2026

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/12/09

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the importance of strategic planning for 2026. As they near the end of 2025, they emphasize the need for agencies to set themselves apart and adapt to the evolving landscape, particularly through the effective use of AI. Despite ongoing economic challenges, they highlight the potential for AI to enhance both efficiency and strategic thinking. Chip and Gini also stress the importance of refining the ideal client profile and taking calculated risks. They share

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21:24

Balancing skills and personality when hiring a new...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/12/02

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the complexities of hiring in growing agencies. They highlight the challenges of finding skilled, reliable employees who align with agency values. Sharing personal experiences, Gini explains the pitfalls of hasty hiring and the benefits of thorough vetting and cultural fit. They stress the importance of a structured hiring process, including clear job roles, career paths, and appropriate compensation. They also underscore the value of meaningful interviews,

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15:40

Firing underperforming team members

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/11/11

In this episode, Chip and Gini tackle the difficult subject of firing an underperforming and problematic employee. They discuss a real-life scenario where an employee with a bad attitude refuses to do their work, causing frustration among team members. They advise against prolonging the inevitable firing decision, suggesting that acting swiftly can alleviate overall team stress. Both hosts share insights on why Performance Improvement Plans (PIPs) are largely ineffective, stressing the need for

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21:13

AI myths agencies must avoid

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/11/05

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the growing concerns surrounding AI in the agency world. They highlight the irrational fears and cyclical nature of technological disruptions, drawing comparisons to social media and content marketing trends of the past. The hosts argue against the notion that agencies should discount services due to AI efficiencies, emphasizing that AI should be seen as a tool to enhance productivity and strategic value rather than a cost-cutting measure. They stress that

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21:03

Do agency mission and values statements matter? And...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/10/28

In this episode, inspired by a newsletter from David C. Baker, Chip and Gini discuss the authentic motivations and realities behind agency mission statements and values. They emphasize that many agencies publish values that are either not reflective of their true operations or are overly broad and similar to others. The hosts stress the importance of being honest about the core purpose of a business and aligning public statements with actual behavior. They argue that values should stem from the

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21:38

Are you ghosting your own agency?

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/10/21

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss a Reddit post about an agency leader going MIA and the repercussions for the team. They elaborate on the importance of communication, perception, and flexibility for agency owners. The conversation includes personal anecdotes from both hosts, highlighting the need for frequent touchpoints, setting clear expectations, and maintaining a balance between taking personal time and being present for the team. They also stress the significance of transparency during

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19:50

Outbound sales & your agency

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/10/07

In this episode, Chip and Gini address a listener's question about the opportunities for growing an agency through outbound sales. They discuss the challenges of outbound sales, particularly in a small agency environment, and highlight the importance of building relationships and a strong brand. Both suggest that agency owners focus on networking and proactive relationship-building rather than traditional cold calling. They emphasize a multi-faceted approach to business development that includes

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18:48

Avoiding your agency's own AI bubble

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/09/30

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the impact of AI on small agencies, focusing on the high expectations and possible disappointments it poses. They reference a recent article from The Atlantic, which highlights a study showing that AI can sometimes decrease efficiency. They caution against overhauling business models based solely on AI's current capabilities, stressing that while AI can assist with tasks and improve efficiency, it cannot fully replace human judgment and creativity. The

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22:40

What to do when your client contact isn't the problem

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/09/23

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss how to handle situations when the problems affecting an agency's client relationship stem from external contacts like procurement, IT, or the sales team. They emphasize treating client contacts as allies and not enemies, and provide strategies to navigate bureaucratic hurdles and internal politics. The discussion covers creative problem-solving techniques such as using MSAs, having biweekly calls with VPs of Sales, and understanding cultural differences

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20:55

Stop providing solutions before understanding your...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/09/17

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the common practice of providing free proposals and baseline ideas to clients. They argue that professional service providers should charge for these services as doing so adds value and ensures a thorough diagnosis before providing solutions. They share personal experiences and compare the situation to doctors who would never prescribe treatment without proper tests. They emphasize the importance of understanding a client's business through a paid

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23:02

Supporting team members with mental and physical...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/09/09

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss how agency owners should handle employees with physical and mental health concerns. They cover the increased openness around mental health and self-care, sharing personal experiences and business challenges. They highlight the importance of individualized management approaches, legal considerations, and quick professional advice. The hosts also emphasize compassionate handling of employee health issues, the need for flexible scheduling, and the impact on

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18:40

Handling early client contract terminations with finesse

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/09/02

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss how to manage situations where clients want to terminate contracts early. Gini emphasizes the importance of having a strong contract with clear termination clauses, which can serve as leverage in negotiations. They share experiences and strategies for recovering outstanding invoices, including offering concessions and being flexible with payment arrangements. The duo also cautions against aggressive tactics like public shaming for non-payment and stresses

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19:31

Setting Client Expectations in the AI Era

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/08/05

In this episode, Chip and Gini explore the impact of AI on client expectations. They discuss how AI is perceived to speed up work, leading clients to have unrealistic expectations regarding turnaround times and pricing. The duo emphasizes the need for agencies to set realistic boundaries and manage expectations from the outset. They share stories about AI's inconsistency, particularly in generating imagery and written content, and stress the importance of educating clients on the limitations

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18:24

What to do when agency employees continue to...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/07/30

In this episode, Chip and Gini focus on the issue of employees over-servicing clients. They discuss the reasons behind over-servicing, including fear of client dissatisfaction and insufficient initial project scopes. The hosts emphasize the importance of educating employees on the long-term negative impacts, both on agency profitability and client relationships. They advocate for involving employees in strategic planning and scoping processes to ensure accurate budgeting and foster accountability

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18:40

You don't need to be a visionary, but it helps to...

Agency Leadership Podcast ·

2025/07/15

In this episode, Chip and Gini discuss the importance of having a clear vision for where an agency is headed while also acknowledging the need for strong operational skills. They explore different types of agency owners, from visionaries to those who excel in operational management, and emphasize the necessity of balancing these roles within a team. The duo highlights the importance of complementing one's weaknesses by hiring the right people, whether it involves bringing in operational

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