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No Way Out

Mark McGrath and Brian "Ponch" Rivera

No Way Out: The #1 Podcast on John Boyd’s OODA Loop, The Flow System, and Navigating UncertaintySponsored by AGLX — a global network powering adaptive leadership, enterprise agility, and resilient teams in complex, high-stakes environments.Home to the deepest explorations of Colonel John R. Boyd’s OODA Loop (Observe–Orient–Decide–Act), Destruction and Creation, Patterns of Conflict — and the official voice of The Flow System, the modern evolution of Boyd’s ideas into complex adaptive systems,

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71:11

Trend Following Warfare: John Boyd's OODA Loop in...

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2025/12/29

Send us a text Most investors want comfort. We make the case for discomfort. This conversation dives into trend following as a rule-based way to survive chaotic markets, mapped directly to John Boyd’s OODA Loop and the culture that made the Turtle Traders relentless. Instead of worshiping smooth curves and tidy narratives, we focus on process: cut losses fast, let winners run, and treat volatility as information rather than injury. With Jerry Parker and Mike Melissinos, we unpack what makes ...

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110:52

Sun Tzu to AI: OODA Loop – Moral Conflict, Human...

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2025/12/17

Send us a text In this profound episode of No Way Out, hosts Moose and Ponch sit down with Dr. Mihaela Ulieru – robotics pioneer, AI ethics advisor, and governance expert – for a mind-expanding conversation that bridges military strategy, morality, technology, and consciousness. Drawing from her Romanian roots and personal experiences during the 1989 Revolution, Dr. Mihaela explores how the OODA loop can either trap us in dependency or propel us toward true human flourishing. The discussion d...

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65:15

Beyond the Linear OODA Loop: Jon Becker Breaks Down...

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2025/12/11

Send us a text Explore the authentic OODA loop with Jon Becker on No Way Out Podcast – John Boyd's strategies for tactical leadership and decision making Fresh off Mark “Moose” McGrath’s viral appearance on The Debrief (where the internet lost its mind over authentic OODA), we flip the script: Jon Becker — CEO of Aardvark Tactical and host of the top-rated tactical podcast The Debrief — comes to No Way Out for the highly requested return match. Together with co-hosts Mark McGrath and Brian “P...

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93:31

Unrestricted Decline: Debt, Inflation and The Road to...

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2025/12/08

Send us a text What if the maps we’re all using are lying to us? In this episode we yank the curtain back and connect the dots most shows leave scattered: The “devouring mother” vs. “tyrannical father” archetypes now fighting for control of America’s soul How printed money and $38 trillion in debt quietly tax you every single day Why a household “poverty line” just hit $140k in parts of the country — and why almost nobody wants to admit it Healthcare’s textbook death spir...

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38:27

The REAL Story of the Snowmobile – John Boyd’s Famous...

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2025/12/03

Send us a text A grain elevator turned upside down. A Chevy bumper cut in half. A Model T steering sector pulled from the yard. That’s not a lab; that’s the birth of the modern snowmobile—and the clearest proof that real creativity starts with what’s already in your hands. We sit down with Mitchell Johnson to trace Polaris’s arc from a small Minnesota shop to a powerhouse that reshaped winter travel, ATVs, and utility vehicles. Along the way, we map John Boyd’s snowmobile metaphor to the sho...

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80:57

MEDEVAC to Mental Health: Ketamine – 80 % Suicidal...

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2025/12/01

Send us a text What if relief wasn’t months away, but days? We sit down with ER physician and Ember Health cofounder Dr. Nico Grundmann to unpack how IV ketamine delivers fast, measurable change for people living with depression, PTSD, and suicidal thoughts—especially veterans and first responders under relentless stress. No hype, no mystique: just clear protocols, clinical guardrails, and results that hold up to scrutiny. Dr. Nico explains why modern science views depression as stress- and ...

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85:39

From F-14 Tomcats to Toad Medicine: 1 Year Inside...

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2025/11/24

Send us a text Conor McGregor just put ibogaine and Ambio on the map with 5M+ views in 24 hours. Former Navy "TOPGUN" Mark “Slider” Keller (now an Ambio host who has guided 250+ veterans and first responders through treatment) joins his old OCS roommate Ponch to pull back the curtain on what really happens during the 5-day ibogaine + 5-MeO-DMT program. No hype, no flowing robes—just raw stories of broken men walking in suicidal and leaving reborn. From sweat lodges to ego-death “toad” experie...

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81:04

Central Banks Bubble Machine vs. Mises & OODA Economics

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2025/11/20

Send us a text Bubbles don’t start with hype. They start with money that was never earned through prior production. Frank Shostak walks us through the entire chain: how warehouse receipts became fiat, how suspension of redemption became “monetary policy,” how lowering interest rates without prior savings fakes a signal that society has become more future-oriented, and how that fake signal lengthens the structure of production until the subsistence fund is eaten and the whole thing collapses u...

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63:31

From Cockpit to Hardwood: OODA Loop & CLA Basketball...

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2025/11/18

Send us a text A roaring flyover sets the tone for a fast, high-stakes conversation: how do we turn clean drills into game-winning decisions? We sit down with Coach David Cochrane to map the OODA loop—Observe, Orient, Decide, Act—onto basketball in a way that’s practical, challenging, and laser-focused on transfer. Forget perfect lines and cone choreography. We build context-rich reps that force players to read, adapt, and act faster than their defender. We dig into why perception and action...

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70:04

Polynon Theory: Tib Roibu on Cognitive Gravity &...

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2025/11/12

Send us a text What if thought has shape—and that shape guides what we notice, believe, and decide? In this mind-expanding episode of No Way Out Podcast, Romanian researcher Tib Roibu unveils Polynon Theory—a revolutionary geometric framework where consciousness is primary, cognition is measurable spatial unfolding, and every polynon vertex = pure consciousness (non-event) while edges = holographic measures. Forget materialism vs. idealism. Tib charts a third path: a rigorous geometry o...

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70:12

OODA in Sports Coaching: Constraints-Led Approach...

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2025/11/05

Send us a text Rob Gray, PhD on Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) in Sports Coaching Dive deep into Col. John Boyd’s OODA Loop through the Constraints Led Approach (CLA) with Rob Gray (Arizona State University, Perception-Action Podcast). Discover how ecological dynamics, feedback, and adaptive training create flow states and elite performance in sports — and beyond Guest Rob Gray, a professor at Arizona State University and host of the Perception Action Podcast, shares his expertise on ...

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78:26

Agentic AI Thinks Like Boyd: The OODA Upgrade LLMs...

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2025/10/29

Send us a text 🎖️ **Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford** (software engineer, Haskell/category theory) joins *No Way Out* to expose the **OODA loop myth** most AI devs still believe. 🔥 **Agentic AI runs John Boyd’s *real* OODA** — not the linear "observe-orient-decide-act" cartoon. 🔴 **LLMs are evolutionary dead-ends**: text-in, text-out, no destruction & creation, no real-time model updates. 🟢 **Active inference AI = fractal OODA**: destroys old models, crea...

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80:01

Real-Time Policing in Chicagoland: Real OODA With Lou...

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2025/10/21

Send us a text Momentum favors those who move first. We sit down with Lou Hayes to trace how real-time crime centers (RTCC) rooftop drones, and secure collaboration tools are compressing response times from minutes to seconds—and what that means on the street where handcuffs still close the loop. Lou explains how small suburbs in Chicagoland connect with city, county, state, and federal partners to build a shared picture, crowdsourcing intelligence from 911 centers, analysts, air units, and e...

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86:08

Naval Power in Action with CAPT Brent Sadler, USN (Ret.)

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2025/10/17

Send us a text Ponch and Moose connect with Brent Sadler, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, discussing maritime strategy, U.S.-China relations, and naval power in the Indo-Pacific. Sadler reflects on his collaboration with Ponch at PACOM (now INDOPACOM) from 2012-2015, where they shifted from linear, phase-based planning to non-linear, adaptive approaches like complex adaptive systems and a "spectrum of rivalry" to counter China's hybrid threats.&...

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66:47

Beyond LLMs: The Spatial Web, World Models, and...

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2025/10/14

Send us a text What if the web didn’t just host pages—it hosted intelligence? We sit down with Dan Mapes, director of the Spatial Web Foundation and co-founder of Verses AI, to unpack how a shared protocol, digital twins, and Active Inference could turn today’s internet into a living, learning fabric that understands space, time, and context. Instead of one giant model, imagine thousands of expert AIs—cardiology, ports, power grids—each built by domain leaders, all interoperable and discovera...

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154:30

Warriors over Fobbits: LtCol Asad "Genghis" Khan,...

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2025/10/10

Send us a text The story starts with a hard correction: observation isn’t enough—orientation wins. A Marine who grew up in Pakistan and rose through the Corps brings a view you do not get in a briefing book. LtCol Asad “Genghis” Khan, USMC (ret) talks straight about war, culture, and the cost of bad decisions. No polish. No excuses. Orientation wins, always. He walks us through the real OODA fight, the one where context beats checklists and judgment beats slogans. He shows how cultural ...

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88:39

Bad Boyd, Good Receipts: Inside Snowmobiles & Grand...

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2025/10/08

Send us a text The myths are seductive: a Top Gun fighter pilot invents the OODA loop from the cockpit of his F-86 and spends the rest of his life proving it. The truth is better—and far more useful. We sit down with Ian Brown to explore Snowmobiles and Grand Ideals, a new Marine Corps University Press publication that explores John Boyd’s recorded presentations and pairs them with contextual essays by Frans P. B. Osinga. For the first time, you can hear Boyd’s voice on the page: the question...

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91:46

Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual...

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2025/10/01

Send us a text What if everything you thought you knew about human behavior was backward? Imagine discovering that we don't actually control our behavior at all—instead, our behavior is merely the observable side effect of our brains controlling what we perceive. Professor Warren Mansell, a clinical psychologist and expert in Perceptual Control Theory (PCT), takes us on a mind-expanding journey through this revolutionary framework developed by physicist William Powers. Drawing from control s...

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67:35

Autism, Telepathy and New "Outside" Information with...

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2025/09/25

Send us a text What if the key to unlocking human consciousness lies not in neurotypical experiences, but in the unique ways non-speaking autistic individuals perceive and interact with reality? In this captivating episode of No Way Out, host Brian "Ponch" Rivera welcomes cognitive neuroscientist, researcher, and spiritual seeker Julia Mossbridge, PhD, and special co-host Sarah Kernion, a mother of two non-speaking autistic children, for a profound exploration of awareness, precognition, and ...

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90:47

TOPGUN vs. Major Boyd: Humans Over Algorithms with...

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2025/09/18

Send us a text In this episode of No Way Out , Captain Dan "Yank" Pederson, the "Godfather" of TOPGUN, shares the origin story of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, established in 1969 during the Vietnam War to address a 2:1 kill ratio that exposed deficiencies in aerial combat. Pederson recounts how he selected eight experienced pilots and RIOs who, with limited resources, created a PhD-level curriculum in just 60 days by emphasizing the human element over technology. This focus challeng...

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