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Refrigerator Moms

Kelley Jensen, Julianna Scott

Born from 20 years of friendship, during which they navigated the trenches of autism parenting and advocacy, the Refrigerator Moms is Kelley Jensen and Julianna Scott’s way of reaching out to parents waging the same battles they were. Their purpose with this podcast is to clear the fog, silence the noise, and find a path through neurodivergence for parents that are stuck between bad choices. They tackle parenting topics such as mom guilt, tantrums, pathological demand avoidance, siblings,

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23:19

Profound Autism Needs 24/7 Care: The Crisis No One's...

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2025/12/31

Julianna and Kelley discuss the National Council on Severe Autism's position statement advocating for severe or profound autism to be recognized as its own diagnosis, separate from the broader autism spectrum. They explore the evolution from DSM-IV's three-tier classification system to DSM-5's umbrella approach, examining how this change has impacted service allocation and representation. The conversation highlights the tension between neurodiversity advocacy and the needs of profoundly

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14:20

Cold Hard Truths: The Holidays with Autism

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2025/12/24

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen tackle the unique challenges of holiday celebrations with autistic children. From routine disruptions to the complexity of Santa Claus traditions, the hosts share personal stories of aggression, anxiety, and family adjustments. They discuss practical strategies including one-on-one visits, managing expectations, and creating new traditions that prioritize peace over perfection. The conversation offers honest insights into traveling with autistic children and

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8:47

Cold Hard Truths: Why Haven't I Heard of This?

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2025/12/18

Kelley and Julianna explore transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) as a breakthrough treatment for autism-related mental health conditions. Kelley shares her professional journey working in a TMS clinic and how she discovered this drug-free, non-invasive therapy when seeking OCD treatment for her son. The hosts discuss why innovative treatments like TMS remain under-marketed despite proven effectiveness and introduce the concept of twice-exceptional (2E) children—intellectually gifted kids

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33:53

Cold Hard Truths: Disinformation: The Refrigerator...

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2025/12/10

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen explore the disturbing history behind their podcast name, tracing the "refrigerator mother theory" from Leo Kanner and Bruno Bettelheim through the 1970s. The hosts examine how mothers were blamed for causing autism through cold, detached parenting—a theory used to institutionalize autistic children. They connect this historical scapegoating to modern vaccine misinformation, discussing Andrew Wakefield's fraudulent research and RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine

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15:06

Cold Hard Truths: RFK Jr., IDEA, and More Dogs

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2025/12/03

Julianna and Kelley tackle RFK Jr.'s latest claim connecting circumcision and autism through Tylenol use, dissecting the contradictions in his ongoing theories. They explore concerns about potential Department of Education cuts and their impact on IDEA compliance, emphasizing that only six states currently meet requirements. The hosts provide practical advice for parents to protect their children's educational rights by going local and understanding state-level entitlements. The episode

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19:03

Cold Hard Truths: What Would We Do? Social Media...

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2025/11/26

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dissect real social media posts from autism parenting communities, examining everything from questionable professional advice to the parent coaching industry loophole. They tackle "my house, my rules" parenting strategies, expose the unregulated world of social media parent coaches charging thousands without licenses, and address the challenge of childhood boredom in autism families. With their signature blend of validation and practical wisdom, they

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28:30

Lights, Camera, Autism! On-Screen Portrayals of...

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2025/11/20

Julianna and Kelley explore how autism is portrayed in movies and TV, from Rain Man to The Good Doctor. They discuss problematic stereotypes like the savant genius and the burdensome child, examine why most autistic characters are straight white males, and question who these portrayals actually serve. The hosts share their favorites—including Loop, Everything's Gonna Be Okay, and A Kind of Spark—that get representation right by featuring autistic actors and depicting authentic experiences

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15:43

Cold Hard Truths: Mom Friendships

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2025/11/12

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen explore the complexities of maintaining friendships while raising autistic children. They candidly discuss losing friends who couldn't handle disability, navigating hierarchy within autism mom groups, and dealing with toxic positivity from well-meaning acquaintances. The conversation highlights the importance of finding authentic connections with people who understand your reality without comparison or competition. Through personal stories of both

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16:14

Cold Hard Truths: Chatbots, Suicide, and SAINT

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2025/11/05

Julianna and Kelley explore the alarming rise of AI chatbot usage among teenagers and its dangerous implications for mental health. With 72% of American teens using AI chatbots as companions and 5.2 million seeking mental health support from them, the hosts discuss how these platforms can encourage self-harm, medication refusal, and social isolation. They share practical strategies for parents to recognize warning signs, initiate conversations about AI relationships, and establish healthy

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36:34

Something to See Here: Masking and Autism

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2025/10/29

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen explore autism masking—the conscious or unconscious strategy used by autistic people to appear non-autistic. They clarify common misconceptions, distinguishing masking from behavioral changes and social skills. The discussion covers why people mask, the exhausting nature of constant performance, and the importance of safe spaces to unmask. Through personal examples, they examine workplace dynamics, late versus early diagnosis differences, and the

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23:58

Cold Hard Truths: What Would We Do? Social Media...

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2025/10/22

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dive into controversial parenting topics trending on social media, examining posts about unlimited screen time for neurodivergent children, the concept of "hermeneutical injustice" in food aversion disorders, and debates around ODD versus PDA diagnoses. They critically analyze how online echo chambers reinforce potentially harmful parenting practices while discussing the importance of balanced approaches to screen time regulation and the dangers of relying

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17:02

Cold Hard Truths: Acceptance

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2025/10/15

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen explore the concept of "speed to acceptance" when parenting autistic children. Drawing from the five stages of grief, they discuss how quickly moving through denial, anger, bargaining, and depression to reach acceptance can free parents emotionally and help them recognize their child's progress realistically. The hosts share personal stories, including Julianna's pink room painting project, and critique the well-meaning but often unhelpful "Welcome to

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35:06

Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA): As Easy as ABC

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2025/10/08

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dive into Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA), exploring its evolution from Ivar Lovaas's pioneering work to modern practices. They address common myths and criticisms while sharing personal experiences of how ABA transformed their families. From potty training to turn-taking and communication skills, the hosts explain why ABA remains a cornerstone therapy for autistic children, how it's covered by insurance, and practical strategies for finding quality

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31:24

We Watched Trump's Autism Press Conference So You...

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2025/10/01

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dissect the recent presidential press conference linking Tylenol use during pregnancy to autism. They analyze the hyperbolic claims made versus the more measured official HHS statements, exploring how this continues the harmful pattern of blaming mothers for autism. The hosts examine the actual science behind acetaminophen research, discuss the problematic vaccine misinformation shared, and highlight the concerning gap between political rhetoric and

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25:17

Cold Hard Truths: Four New Subtypes, the Time...

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2025/09/24

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dive into recent autism research developments and practical family considerations. They examine new findings about four distinct autism subtypes based on genetic markers, review Time magazine's autism supplement with mixed reactions, and share honest insights about service dogs versus family pets for autistic children. The conversation covers everything from the limitations of current treatment coverage in mainstream media to real-world experiences

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49:17

The Try-entific Method: Off-Label Autism Interventions

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2025/09/17

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen tackle the common "diagnose and adios" experience that leaves autism parents without guidance after diagnosis. They discuss how parents must become researchers themselves, using what they call "The Try-entific Method" to navigate off-label treatments. The hosts share personal experiences with brain stimulation therapies like MeRT and EMDR, provide practical financial advice including ABLE accounts, and emphasize that there is no cure for autism—only

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19:02

Cold Hard Truths: Panic Attacks, Non-Violent...

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2025/09/17

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dive deep into mom panic attacks—a reality many autism parents face but rarely discuss. They explore how fear of the unknown can manifest into physical symptoms and share personal experiences with managing panic attacks through professional help. The conversation then shifts to nonviolent communication (NVC), a powerful framework for understanding feelings that drive behavior, particularly valuable for autism parenting. Finally, they celebrate the

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20:44

Cold Hard Truths: FAFO and What Would We Do? Social...

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2025/09/10

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dive into viral social media posts about autism parenting in this Cold Hard Truths episode. They examine FAFO (F*** Around and Find Out) parenting as a trendy rebrand of natural consequences, analyze complex PDA parenting scenarios including pancake requests and fast food battles, critique Autism Speaks' new legislation proposal, celebrate potty training victories, and discuss the importance of proper diagnosis. The duo provides practical perspectives

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40:45

Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA): Autism by Any...

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2025/09/10

Hosts Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen tackle the hot topic of Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA), exploring why it's not a separate condition but rather a feature of autism. They examine how social media influencers are repackaging traditional behavioral interventions under new names, share practical strategies for picking battles with resistant children, and provide actionable guidance for parents navigating PDA behaviors. The discussion emphasizes evidence-based approaches while

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20:00

Cold Hard Truths: Gene Site Testing, Parenting...

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2025/09/03

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen tackle essential parenting decisions with practical wisdom. They address medication timing concerns, explore the benefits of gene site testing for personalized treatment approaches, and distinguish between parenting instinct versus developed parenting skills. The hosts celebrate autistic joy through recent research findings, sharing personal stories about their children's special interests from lawnmowers to cake decorating. They provide a systematic

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