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Say Grace

A soulful exploration of the hospitality industry through the eyes of celebrated restaurateur and author Steve Palmer. Combining the richness of grace—a pre-meal tradition in the South, a gift freely given, and a timeless virtue—with the transformative journey of hospitality, this podcast dives deep into the stories behind the industry. With heartfelt conversations, Palmer uncovers personal journeys of resilience, mental health breakthroughs, and sources of inspiration, showcasing how lives are

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01:00:16

EP 3: A Conversation with Chef John Fleer

Say Grace ·

2025/10/30

A native of Winston-Salem, NC, Asheville-based Chef John Fleer has earned critical acclaim for the way he transforms local ingredients into world-class dishes. The unique "foothills cuisine" he helped establish at Tennessee's Blackberry Farm walked the line between refined and rugged; fancy and familiar. The "freestyle American" cuisine he later brought to downtown Asheville at Rhubarb and The Rhu offered a unique perspective on seasonal ingredients and celebrated his local partners. John has been

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01:23:22

EP 2: A Conversation with Graham House, Sean...

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2025/10/23

Executive Chef Graham House, Chef de Cuisine Sean McMullen, and Director of Food & Beverage Sarah Charles Hereford are the talented trio behind beloved restaurant Luminosa at The Flat Iron Hotel in Asheville. Known for its elegant yet approachable take on Italian cuisine, Luminosa celebrates the spirit of the mountains through local ingredients, seasonal flavors, and warm, polished hospitality. A Western North Carolina native, Graham marries Italian traditions with Appalachian sensibilities,

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01:36:30

EP 1: A Conversation with Meherwan and Molly Irani of...

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2025/10/16

Meherwan and Molly Irani are the husband-and-wife duo behind Chai Pani Restaurant Group and Spicewalla. Since opening the flagship Chai Pani location in Asheville, NC in 2009, Molly, Chief Hospitality Officer, and Meherwan, Chef and CEO, have grown Chai Pani into a nationally celebrated brand with a team of over 300 people, seven restaurants across the Southeast and Washington, D.C., and a growing spice empire. Together, Molly, Meherwan, and their team earned the James Beard Foundation's award for

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44:58

EP 23: A Conversation with Simone Reggie of French...

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2025/09/18

Simone Reggie is the Director of Sales & Marketing at French Truck Coffee, where she leads marketing, community relations, and partnerships across the company’s 12 locations. Based in New Orleans, Simone brings over a decade of experience in the food and beverage industry, with a career defined by meaningful relationships and a strong connection to both brands and the communities they serve. Her work blends strategic vision with a genuine passion for hospitality, making her a trusted voice in the

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01:08:32

EP 22: A Conversation with Lilly Jan, Ph.D of Cornell...

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2025/09/16

Dr. Lilly Jan is a faculty member at Cornell University’s Nolan School of Hotel Administration, where she teaches courses on restaurant design, food and beverage management, and global cuisines. A seasoned educator, consultant, and industry pro, she brings nearly 15 years of hands-on experience in catering, events, retail, and television to her work. Outside the classroom, she specializes in food and beverage entrepreneurship, guiding small business owners through everything from concept development

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53:07

EP 21: A Conversation with Andrew Carmellini of NoHo...

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2025/09/04

Andrew Carmellini is the chef and co-founder of NoHo Hospitality Group, which operates celebrated restaurants including Locanda Verde, The Dutch, Lafayette, Carne Mare, and Bar Primi in New York City, as well as multiple establishments in Miami, Detroit, and Nashville. He has become a defining figure in American hospitality and modern Italian and American cuisine, known for creating restaurants that not only deliver high-level food but also deeply consider atmosphere, culture, and neighborhood,

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52:08

EP 20: A Conversation with Rob Rubba of Oyster Oyster

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2025/08/28

Rob Rubba is the chef and founding partner of MICHELIN-starred Oyster Oyster in Washington, D.C. A James Beard Outstanding Chef (2023) and one of Food & Wine’s Best New Chefs (2022), Rob brings over 20 years of experience to his work. A passionate vegetarian and sustainability advocate, he’s created a plant-forward, zero-waste dining experience that highlights Mid-Atlantic ingredients, earning national and international acclaim for his innovative approach and deep commitment to responsible sourcing

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52:04

EP 19: A Conversation with Debby Soo, CEO of OpenTable

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2025/08/21

Debby Soo is a forward-thinking leader reshaping how the restaurant industry engages with technology and advocacy. As CEO of OpenTable since 2020, she has brought a people-first approach to innovation, introducing AI-powered tools, securing major global partnerships, and advocating for legislation to support restaurants against issues such as reservation piracy. Known for her transparency and direct communication style, Debby has built an executive team that embodies her ethos of challenging the

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01:05:48

EP 18: A Conversation with Michael Anthony of...

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2025/08/14

Michael Anthony is the Executive Chef and Partner at Gramercy Tavern, one of NYC’s most iconic restaurants. Under his leadership, the restaurant earned a MICHELIN Star and several James Beard Awards, including Outstanding Restaurant and Outstanding Chef. He’s known for championing seasonal, sustainable cooking and shaping modern American cuisine with simplicity and care. Before Gramercy, he led the kitchen at Blue Hill at Stone Barns and trained in Japan and France. Michael’s also written two

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01:08:00

EP 17: A Conversation with Jim Irwin of New City...

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2025/08/07

Jim Irwin is the President of New City, a commercial real estate development firm based in Atlanta. With a career that spans over $1 billion in new investments across the U.S., Jim is known for reshaping urban spaces with purpose and style. Before founding New City, he led the acclaimed redevelopment of Atlanta’s Ponce City Market, one of the largest historic renovations in the country. His latest venture, FORTH, a hotel and social club in the Old Fourth Ward, opened in Summer 2024 and has already

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EP 16: A Conversation with Ellen Yin

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2025/07/31

Ellen Yin is the founder and co-owner of High Street Hospitality Group, a powerhouse in the dining scene with restaurants in Philadelphia, New York, and Washington, D.C. Her portfolio includes acclaimed establishments like Fork, High Street Restaurant & Bakery, a.kitchen+bar, and The Wonton Project. Beyond her restaurants, Yin is committed to community service, supporting organizations like Bakers Against Racism, Everybody Eats Philadelphia, and Let’s Talk. She also co-chairs the Sisterly Love

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01:01:21

EP 15: A Conversation with Randy Garutti

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2025/07/24

Randy Garutti is a legendary figure in the restaurant industry, best known for his role as the CEO who transformed Shake Shack from a single hot dog cart in Madison Square Park into a globally recognized fast-casual brand. Under his leadership, the company expanded to more than 500 locations across the world, went public in 2015, and became known not just for its burgers but for its commitment to quality, community, and a hospitality-driven culture. In this episode, Randy sits down with Steve to

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01:08:34

EP 14: A Conversation with Martha Hoover of Won't...

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2025/07/17

Martha Hoover is a pioneering American restaurateur and social entrepreneur, best known for founding Won't Stop Hospitality, a collection of acclaimed restaurant concepts in Indianapolis focused on sustainable, community-driven dining. In 1989, after a career as a sex crimes prosecutor and with no formal culinary training, Martha opened Café Patachou, introducing a new standard of farm-to-table food and hospitality in the Midwest. Today, she continues to shape the industry by advocating for ethical

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01:01:03

EP 13: A Conversation with Stephanie Wu,...

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2025/07/10

Stephanie is the editor-in-chief of Eater, a role she’s held since 2022. She leads editorial strategy across more than 20 cities, overseeing writers, editors, and creators. In 2024, she added Punch and Thrillist to her portfolio. Under her leadership, the Eater network has earned 12 James Beard Awards, three National Magazine Awards, and five New York Emmys. Named Adweek’s Editor of the Year in 2024, Stephanie also co-founded Mochi Magazine. Originally from Taipei, Taiwan, she now lives in New York

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01:00:14

EP 12: A Conversation with Smith Hanes of Smith Hanes...

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2025/06/26

Smith Hanes is the founder and creative director of Smith Hanes Studio, an interior design firm he founded in 2004. Based in Atlanta with a second studio in New York, the firm is best known for its work in designing restaurants, boutique hotels, and hospitality spaces with a strong sense of mood and place. Hanes has created some of the South’s most iconic restaurants, building a reputation for warm, layered environments where design plays a key role in the guest experience. He has also worked

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01:12:39

EP 11: A Conversation with Tracy Malechek-Ezekiel and...

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2025/06/19

Tracy Malechek-Ezekiel and Arjav Ezekiel are the husband-and-wife team behind Birdie’s, the nationally acclaimed East Austin restaurant known for its fine-dining-caliber food, counter-service format, and values-driven approach. Tracy is a James Beard finalist with a résumé that includes Blue Hill and Gramercy Tavern, known for her deeply seasonal, ingredient-driven cooking. Arjav, named Esquire’s “Wine Guru of the Year” and recently awarded the Outstanding Professional in Beverage Service at the

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01:03:37

EP 10: A Conversation with Neal Bodenheimer of Cure...

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2025/06/05

Neal Bodenheimer is the Managing Partner of CureCo., the group behind New Orleans’ acclaimed bars Cure, Cane & Table, and VALS, and is a partner in Washington D.C.’s legendary restaurant, Dauphine’s. He also oversees beverage operations at Peychaud’s and serves as Co-Chair of the Board of Directors for Tales of the Cocktail Foundation. A New Orleans native and pioneer of the city’s craft cocktail scene, Cure has received a James Beard Award, Pinnacle Guide recognition, and was named “Best Bar in the

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EP 9: A Conversation with Danny Meyer of Union Square...

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2025/05/22

Danny Meyer is one of the most influential voices in modern hospitality. As the founder of Union Square Hospitality Group, he’s built some of New York’s most iconic restaurants—including Union Square Cafe and Gramercy Tavern—and turned Shake Shack from a hot dog cart into a $3 billion global phenomenon. A leader who pioneered the philosophy of “Enlightened Hospitality,” Meyer has reshaped the way we think about service, culture, and leadership in business. Over the course of his career, he’s been

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01:09:04

EP 8: A Conversation with Chris Shepherd and Lindsey...

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2025/05/08

Based in Houston, Texas, Chris Shepherd and Lindsey Brown are the Co-Founders and husband-and-wife team behind Southern Smoke Foundation, a non-profit organization that provides emergency relief funding, mental health services, and other resources for food and beverage industry workers in need of support. Before taking on a full-time role with Southern Smoke Foundation in 2023, Lindsey looked after the public relations for Greater Houston Convention and Visitors Bureau before opening her own firm

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EP 7: A Conversation with Lawrence Weeks of North of...

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2025/04/24

Chef and restaurateur Lawrence Weeks channels Southern tradition, global influence, and personal heritage into his Louisville-based restaurants, North of Bourbon and Ensō. A Louisville native, Weeks was drawn to the kitchen at an early age, inspired by his parents’ international travels and his family’s Creole and Cajun roots. In 2021, he opened North of Bourbon, a restaurant that explores the intersection of Kentucky bourbon culture and the bold, soulful flavors of the American South. Building on

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