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Relentless Health Value

American Healthcare Entrepreneurs and Execs you might want to know. Talking. Relentless Health Value is a weekly interview podcast hosted by Stacey Richter, a healthcare entrepreneur celebrating fifteen years in the business side of healthcare. This show is for leaders in pharma, devices, payers, providers, patient advocacy and healthcare business. It"s for health industry innovators, entrepreneurs or wantrepreneurs or intrapreneurs. Relentless Healthcare Value is the show for you if you want

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EP493: Revelations Mainstream CEOs Are Having About...

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2025/11/13

In Episode 493 of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter engages in an enlightening discussion with John Quinn, CEO of Wellnecity, about the current revelations and challenges employer CEOs are facing within the healthcare market. Stacey explores whether average employer C-suites are recognizing the fundamental myth that a functioning healthcare market exists. The conversation dives into how self-insured employers are substantially the demand side of the healthcare market and why their lack

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EP492: The Solutions Show: How to Run a High-Quality...

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2025/11/06

In this episode, host Stacey Richter speaks with Dr. Sam Flanders and Shane Cerone about creating a high-quality hospital management model focused on surviving at 150% of Medicare costs. They discuss the inefficiencies in health systems and practical solutions to improve them without compromising quality. The conversation covers the importance of empowering frontline staff, adopting continuous improvement models like Toyota's, and the critical role of employers in reshaping market dynamics through

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EP491: Incumbent TPAs and Consultants Getting Called...

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2025/10/30

In Episode 491, Stacey Richter interviews Elizabeth Mitchell, CEO of the Purchaser's Business Group on Health (PBGH), about the PBGH Transparency Demonstration Project. They discuss the project's aim to provide jumbo self-insured employers with transparency in healthcare costs, quality, and safety data. Collaborating with Milliman and Embold and funded by the Peterson Center on Healthcare, PBGH's project reveals no correlation between higher prices and quality in healthcare services. The episode

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EP490: The Problem Show: 3 Problematic Hospital...

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2025/10/23

In this episode of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter speaks with Shane Cerone and Dr. Sam Flanders of Kada Health about three pervasive myths in the healthcare industry. They discuss the belief in a functioning healthcare market, the necessity of high prices for hospital survival, and the notion that reducing prices means lower quality care. Highlighting the inefficiencies and lack of competition in the current system, they address the importance of transparency and competition. This

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EP489: MARGIN! Margin That Creates a Path to Mission...

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2025/10/16

In Episode 489 Part 2 of 'Relentlessly Seeking Value,' Stacey Richter continues the series on 'Mission Margin' by focusing on the financial sustainability aspect with guest Dan Greenleaf, CEO of Duly, a multi-specialty group. The episode dives into the balance between maintaining mission-driven healthcare, which includes affordability, accessibility, and quality, and achieving financial margins. Dan discusses practical strategies like reducing network leakage, negotiating effectively with payers,

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EP489: Achieving Mission That Is a Path to Margin at...

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2025/10/09

In this episode of Relentless Health Value, Stacey Richter talks mission with Dan Greenleaf, CEO of Duly Health and Care. Next week we cover margin. The discussion delves into the crucial balance between mission and margin in healthcare, highlighting how focusing on mission can drive financial stability. The interview centers around four key quadrants of Duly's mission: affordability, access, consumer experience, and quality. Greenleaf emphasizes how these elements are interconnected and essential

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EP488: Mark Cuban, Cora Opsahl, Trust, Simplicity,...

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2025/10/02

Stacey Richter is joined by Mark Cuban, CEO and founder of Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drugs, and Cora Opsahl, Health Fund Director of the 32BJ Health Fund, to discuss pressing issues in American healthcare. The conversation centers on the inefficiencies and complexities created by high deductible health plans and the layers of vendors self-insured employers hire to manage healthcare claims. Mark Cuban and Cora Opsahl advocate for direct contracting and increased transparency as solutions to reduce costs

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EP487 (Part 2): Kevin Lyons Shares What He Learned in...

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2025/09/25

In episode 487, part two, host Stacey Richter interviews Kevin Lyons, a former police detective and current Executive Director of the New Jersey State Police Benevolence Association about the application of detective skills to analyze healthcare spending. Following a discussion on the barriers driving up healthcare costs in part one, Lyons delves into techniques such as statement analysis and facial recognition to identify deceit and uncover where healthcare dollars are going. Lyons emphasizes the

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EP487 (Part 1): A Former Police Detective...

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2025/09/18

In Episode 487 of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter speaks with Kevin Lyons, a former police detective and current executive director at the New Jersey State Police Benevolence Association. They explore, in this two part episode, the significant challenges public sector employees face in obtaining cost-effective health benefits. The discussion highlights key issues, including the influence of industry profit motives, governmental hiring practices, and media sponsorship biases. Lyons

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38:04

EP486: The Secrets to Operationalizing Direct...

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2025/09/11

In this episode of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter sits down with Dr. Stan Schwartz, co-founder of ZERO.health, to explore the practical realities and benefits of direct contracting in healthcare. Dr. Schwartz shares his journey from traditional healthcare to pioneering bundled payments and direct contracts, offering actionable insights for employers, providers, and anyone interested in making healthcare more affordable and predictable. The conversation covers the challenges of claims,

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EP485: Imaging Costs 6% to 11% of Plan Sponsor Spend:...

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2025/09/04

In episode 485, Stacey Richter interviews Dr. Cristin Dickerson on the topic of direct contracting for imaging services. They discuss the high costs of imaging, which can account for 6-11% of a plan sponsor’s healthcare spend. The episode covers the potential for significant cost savings and improved patient access through direct contracting, bypassing traditional TPAs that may have conflicts of interest or contractual constraints. Dr. Dickerson, who is the founding partner of Green Imaging,

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Take Two: EP436: Let’s Talk About TPA and Health Plan...

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2025/08/28

Exploring TPA and Health Plan Inertia with Elizabeth Mitchell: What Plan Sponsors Need to Know. In this Take 2 of episode 436 of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter speaks with Elizabeth Mitchell, President and CEO of the Purchaser Business Group on Health, about the challenges third-party administrators (TPAs) face, the issues around hidden fees, and the problems with health plan inertia. They discuss how self-insured employers can find reliable TPA partners, the impact of

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EP484: What Are the 3 Most Burning Questions That...

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2025/08/21

In Episode 484 of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter talks with Dave Chase from Health Rosetta about the three most pressing questions faced by self-insured employers today. The discussion covers how to verify if a benefits advisor truly protects employer interests, avoiding personal liability when third-party administrator contracts have hidden conflicts, and identifying if employers are being systematically overcharged on pharmacy costs despite PBM guarantees. The episode emphasizes

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EP483 (Part 2): Reversing the Healthcare Flywheel to...

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2025/08/14

In the second part of this conversation with Jonathan Baran, CEO of Self Fund Health, the focus is on reversing the negative cycle of skyrocketing healthcare costs by shifting from buying discounts to investing in primary care and better benefit designs. The discussion highlights the current issues with the healthcare flywheel, driven by employers buying discounts, and offers solutions such as investing in direct primary care, incentivizing proper healthcare utilization, and improving patient

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EP483 (Part 1): To Contain Skyrocketing Healthcare...

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2025/08/07

In this episode Stacey Richter speaks with Jonathan Baran, CEO of Self Fund Health in a detailed exploration of what they term the 'Flywheel Downward Spiral' of American healthcare costs. The conversation delves into how electronic health records (EHR) and the incentives driving insurers, brokers, and hospital systems contribute to consistently rising healthcare premiums. Key points include how insurers profit from high premiums, the misleading marketing focus on discounts rather than actual costs,

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Bonus Add-on to EP483 (Part 1): Honoring Those in...

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2025/08/07

In this bonus clip from Episode 483 of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter discusses the efforts of individuals working within large healthcare organizations to improve patient outcomes despite systemic challenges. Guest Jonathan Baran, co-founder and CEO of Self Fund Health, highlights how incentives within the healthcare system drive behaviors that often conflict with patient and member interests. The discussion emphasizes the importance of not generalizing the intentions of all

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How Margin Shoves Mission Off of the Bus: A Primary...

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2025/07/31

In this episode, Stacey Richter talks with Dr. Stan Schwartz, co-founder of ZERO.health about the tension between mission-driven healthcare and financial incentives within the healthcare system. Highlighting examples like the Comprehensive Primary Care Initiative and other advanced primary care efforts, Schwartz shares insights on how health system economics, particularly the reliance on emergency room admissions, often undermine initiatives aimed at reducing costs and improving patient outcomes.

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EP482: 3 Surprising Ways Carriers Make Lots of...

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2025/07/24

In this episode, Stacey Richter discusses 'Three Surprising Ways Carriers Make Lots of Money' with Preston Alexander. The episode highlights how carriers leverage financial strategies—like using premium dollars as float, intracompany eliminations, and upcoding in Medicare Advantage—to enhance their profits. The discussion emphasizes the importance for plan sponsors and policymakers to understand these tactics to better manage healthcare costs. Alexander advises collaborating with unbiased

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Take Two: EP445: What Does It Take for an Indie...

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2025/07/17

In this second take on episode host Stacey Richter speaks with Dr. Tom Lee, founder of One Medical and Galileo. The discussion centers on the survival of independent primary care practices in the current healthcare economy, the associated challenges, and the paradox of primary care. Topics include reducing ER visits, managing downstream specialty spend, and the imbalance between CMS and commercial carrier payments to primary care practices. Dr. Lee highlights the importance of 'enlightened

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Bonus Clip: Dr. Tom Lee Talks About Why Retail...

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2025/07/17

This short bonus episode is a side bar conversation with Dr. Tom Lee discussing why retail clinics are struggling with Dr. Tom Lee. They explore the shortcomings of retail clinics in providing longitudinal primary care, despite their convenience for minor urgent care and vaccinations. Dr. Lee emphasizes that true primary care requires consistent, long-term patient relationships and complex management which many retail clinics fail to deliver. They also discuss the economic challenges of running

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