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The Better Way? Podcast

Culture. Data. Ethics. | CDE Advisors

This is a curiosity podcast. For those who find themselves asking: “There has to be a better way, right? There just has to be.” Join Hui Chen and Zach Coseglia as they explore the worlds of organizational culture, data, and ethics—and search for new ways to tackle long-standing challenges.

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Ep.18: Getting to the Root

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2025/11/11

Root cause analysis isn’t just a box to check—it’s the difference between fixing symptoms and solving real problems. In this episode, Zach and Hui unpack why so many organizations stop short of the true root causes, settling for easy answers like “more training” or “rogue employee.” They explore how curiosity, context, and critical thinking can transform investigations from blame games into learning opportunities.From the five whys to fishbone diagrams, they share practical methods for digging

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00:45:12

Ep.17: From Elves to Ethics

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2025/10/29

What do Icelandic elves, Chilean political ads, and Uruguayan tea rituals have to do with ethics and compliance? More than you’d think. In this episode ofThe Better Way?, Zach and Hui take you on a global journey—literally—sharing travel stories that spark fresh insights into culture, data, and the human side of corporate integrity. From folklore that reveals workplace truths to a cruise ship complaint that becomes a case study in speaking up, this episode is packed with unexpected connections,

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00:32:44

Ep.16: Keeping Up with the Benchmarkers

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2025/10/14

It’s human nature to be curious about what other people are doing. But is it helpful. And is benchmarking just a modern day, corporate version of our naturally human instinct to "keep up with the Joneses?”In thisepisodeofThe Better Way?, Zach and Hui dive deep into the widely used, yet oftenover-valued, practice of culture and compliance benchmarking. They define it, explore why organizations do it, andacknowledgeits potential to inspire (and maybeeven help you find“better ways”).But they also

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00:33:46

Ep.15: Curious About Boards

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2025/10/01

In this episode of The Better Way?, Zach and Hui welcome investigative journalist Anna (A) Bianca Roach for a conversation about the intersection of corporate strategy, ethics, and global risk—and the evolving priorities for today’s corporate boards. Drawing from experience reporting for Agenda, a Financial Times publication, A shares insights into what keeps boards up at night: from tariffs and supply chain complexity to the murky waters of AI oversight and education. A, Hui, and Zach explore the

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Ep.14: Outcomes Over Output

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2025/09/16

It’s easy to measure output. How many trainings. How many policies. How many messages. All "the things" we did to protect the company and shape a culture of ethics and integrity. But did any of those thingswork? And what does it even mean for something to “work"? In this episode ofThe BetterWay?, Zach and Hui focus on the distinctionbetweenoutput and outcome—and advocate for amindset of experimentation and verification.Drawing parallels to healthcareand public safety, they emphasizethat true

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00:44:41

Ep.13: LinkedIn or Linked Out?

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2025/09/02

In this episode of The Better Way?, Zach and Hui welcome back Alison Taylor (NYU professor, ethics expert, and celebrated author of Higher Ground) for a candid conversation about LinkedIn. Yes, you read that right! We're dedicating an episode to LinkedIn. What starts as a lighthearted look at LinkedIn etiquette (Alison’s pet peeve posts inspired the episode) evolves into a deeper exploration of how professionals use the platform to build voice, share ideas, and navigate the tension between

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00:32:13

Ep.12: Ethics vs. Compliance

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2025/07/30

There’s a difference between doing “what’s required” and doing “what’s right.” And if you’ve been paying attention, you know that we’ve also done whole episodes on the shortcomings of “do the right thing” language. So, in this episode of The Better Way?, Hui and Zach thought it was time to give ethics the explicit spotlight it deserves. It is, after all, our “E.” They start by unpacking the differences between compliance (think: rules, regulations, and external demands) and ethics (think: values and

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00:42:56

Ep.11: Pressure Meets Purpose

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2025/07/16

We often hear people in our world say that they’ve spent their day “putting out fires.” Yeah? Well, we thought, why not talk to someone who has spent his career putting out actual fires—and who leads one of the most dynamic fire departments in the United States? In this episode of The Better Way?, Zach and Hui sit down with Sheldon Hao, Chief of the Honolulu Fire Department, for a conversation about leadership and decision-making on the front lines of emergency response. Drawing from decades of

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Ep.10: From Sex to Workplace Safety

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2025/07/01

Shaping culture can be a daunting task. Because change doesn’t happen overnight. But our world is filled with examples of shifting norms in both the socialand organizational contexts. Just think about how much has changed in the last fifty years—or even, the last five!In this episode ofThe Better Way?, Hui and Zach, as they often do, find inspiration in unexpected places; with examples from politics, pop culture, business, and education, they remind each other that big change is possible, and can

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00:54:29

Ep.9: Mission First, People Always

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2025/06/17

Leadership is a recurring theme on the pod. So, as they’re wont to do, Hui and Zach sought out an important voice to dive deep into leadership and leadership development: Dr. Tom Kolditz, a retired Brigadier General (U.S. Army), psychologist, author, educator, and leadership coach. In this episode of The Better Way?, General Kolditz shares insights on trust and leadership in times of crisis—from combat zones to corporate boardrooms. He also challenges us to rethink traditional assumptions about

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00:50:07

Ep.8: Out of the Echo Chamber

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2025/06/03

This series is all about curiosity in the search for “better ways.” And that search has taken us to some unexpected places: we’ve talked to an award winning actress; data scientists; AI ethicists; behavioral scientists; psychologists; lawyers; an auditor; and many others. We’ve also drawn inspiration from congress, religion, academia, the military, sports—and of course, from the world of business.In this episode, Zach and Hui talk about the importance of getting out of the traditional culture,

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00:48:10

Ep.7: Analyze This

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2025/05/21

Psychology is increasingly a topic of interest to practitioners in organizational ethics, compliance, and culture (as it should be!). But do you know who we don’t hear from enough on the topic?Actualpsychologists. Call it a “better way,” or just common sense, Zach and Hui decided to address that, by starting a conversation with noted clinical and organizational psychologist, May Chen.The conversation with Dr. Chen begins with a discussion of her curiosity-fueled professional journey. They cover her

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00:43:35

Ep.6: The Call Is Coming from Inside the Company

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2025/05/07

We are always urging people to "Speak Up": and we have policies, procedures, and hotlines to facilitate "speaking up". But what motivates people to do it? What inhibits speak up? Who are the one's speaking up? And why? In this episode of The Better Way?, Zach and Hui are curious to learn more about the dynamics, complexities, myths, and challenges of “speaking up”—and “whistleblowing,” more broadly—from a true expert on the topic. Enter Professor Kate Kenny, a leading researcher and author on the

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Ep.5: Hard World, Hard Work

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2025/04/23

The role (and importance) of organizational culture seems to be well understood—in driving business performance, attracting and retaining the best talent, and as a force-field protecting against unethical decision-making and other forms of misconduct. But does all the talk live up to the hype, especially in anxious times?In this episode ofThe Better Way?podcast, Zach and Huistarta conversation about what we mean by “organizational culture”; the importance of knowing who you are and what you value;

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00:47:45

Ep.4: The Death of Oversight?

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2025/04/09

Corporate monitorships have been in the news a lot lately. From the Department of Justice’s decision to terminate the Glencore monitorship early; to months of headlines about a proposed monitorship associated with Boeing’s guilty plea in the 737 Max criminal case. And so, in this episode ofThe Better Way?, Zach and Hui, along with special guest Todd Haugh, an associate professor at Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business, ask, well . . . what the heck is going on!?They also dive deeper into a

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00:55:43

Ep.3: The Human Cost of AI

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2025/03/26

Finally, our first guest in the new era of The Better Way? podcast! In this episode, Hui and Zach are joined by Jutta Williams, an experienced compliance, privacy, and information security officer—and a noted responsible AI evangelist. Jutta shares her deep knowledge of this curious—and misunderstood topic—in the most relatable and accessible way. Together, they define key terms; explore (some of) the ethical and strategic risks associated with AI; and then, dive deep into a human-centric approach

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00:38:21

Ep.2: Our Origin Story

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2025/03/11

We always try to start with “why.” And over the last ten or so months, we’ve been asked “why?” a lot—why we’ve been on hiatus for so long and why we left our prior firm. In this episode of The Better Way?, we do our best to answer those questions, while also (and more importantly) sharing the foundational “why” behind our new venture. In addition to talking about data-driven, human-centered, and evidence-based culture, ethics, and compliance, we discuss: entrepreneurship, the importance of timing,

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00:43:25

Ep.1: An Obligatory Word on the FCPA Pause

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2025/02/25

It’s many been months since our last episode, but The Better Way? Podcast is back! In this (our sort of first episode), Zach and Hui return with a special—and timely—discussion about the implications of President Trump’s Executive Order pausing FCPA enforcement. They address the role FCPA enforcement has played in the development of corporate compliance programs, generally, and in the creation of a broader FCPA “industrial complex.” But this is mostly a forward-looking episode. Zach and Hui share

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