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Engineering Enablement by DX

This is a weekly podcast focused on developer productivity and the teams and leaders dedicated to improving it. Topics include in-depth interviews with Platform and DevEx teams, as well as the latest research and approaches on measuring developer productivity. The EE podcast is hosted by Abi Noda, the founder and CEO of DX (getdx.com) and published researcher focused on developing measurement methods to help organizations improve developer experience and productivity.

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41:19

How Monzo runs data-driven AI experimentation

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/10/31

In this episode of Engineering Enablement, host Laura Tacho talks with Fabien Deshayes, who leads multiple platform engineering teams at Monzo Bank. Fabien explains how Monzo is adopting AI responsibly within a highly regulated industry, balancing innovation with structure, control, and data-driven decision-making.They discuss how Monzo runs structured AI trials, measures adoption and satisfaction, and uses metrics to guide investment and training. Fabien shares why the company moved from

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38:59

Planning your 2026 AI tooling budget: guidance for...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/10/17

In this episode of Engineering Enablement, Laura Tacho and Abi Noda discuss how engineering leaders can plan their 2026 AI budgets effectively amid rapid change and rising costs. Drawing on data from DX’s recent poll and industry benchmarks, they explore how much organizations should expect to spend per developer, how to allocate budgets across AI tools, and how to balance innovation with cost control.Laura and Abi also share practical insights on building a multi-vendor strategy,

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37:11

The evolving role of DevProd teams in the AI era

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/09/26

CEO Abi Noda is joined by DX CTO Laura Tacho to discuss the evolving role of Platform and DevProd teams in the AI era. Together, they unpack how AI is reshaping platform responsibilities, from evaluation and rollout to measurement, tool standardization, and guardrails. They explore why fundamentals like documentation and feedback loops matter more than ever for both developers and AI agents. They also share insights on reducing tool sprawl, hardening systems for higher throughput, and

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66:15

Lessons from Twilio’s multi-year platform consolidation

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/09/12

In this episode, host Laura Tacho speaks with Jesse Adametz, Senior Engineering Leader on the Developer Platform at Twilio. Jesse is leading Twilio’s multi-year platform consolidation, unifying tech stacks across large acquisitions and driving migrations at enterprise scale. He discusses platform adoption, the limits of Kubernetes, and how Twilio balances modernization with pragmatism. The conversation also explores treating developer experience as a product, offering “change as a service,”

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46:50

Driving enterprise-wide AI tool adoption

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/09/05

In this episode of Engineering Enablement, host Laura Tacho talks with Bruno Passos, Product Lead for Developer Experience at Booking.com, about how the company is rolling out AI tools across a 3,000-person engineering team.Bruno shares how Booking.com set ambitious innovation goals, why cultural change mattered as much as technology, and the education practices that turned hesitant developers into daily users. He also reflects on the early barriers, from low adoption and knowledge gaps to

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41:14

Measuring AI code assistants and agents with the AI...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/08/15

In this episode of Engineering Enablement, DX CTO Laura Tacho and CEO Abi Noda break down how to measure developer productivity in the age of AI using DX’s AI Measurement Framework. Drawing on research with industry leaders, vendors, and hundreds of organizations, they explain how to move beyond vendor hype and headlines to make data-driven decisions about AI adoption.They cover why some fundamentals of productivity measurement remain constant, the pitfalls of over-relying on flawed metrics

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23:26

How to cut through the hype and measure AI’s real...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/08/08

In this special episode of the Engineering Enablement podcast, recorded live at LeadDev London, DX CTO Laura Tacho explores the growing gap between AI headlines and the reality inside engineering teams—and what leaders can do to close it.Laura shares data from nearly 39,000 developers across 184 companies, highlights the Core 4 and introduces the AI Measurement Framework, and offers a practical playbook for using data to improve developer experience, measure AI’s true impact, and build

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43:45

Unpacking METR’s findings: Does AI slow developers down?

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/08/01

In this episode of the Engineering Enablement podcast, host Abi Noda is joined by Quentin Anthony, Head of Model Training at Zyphra and a contributor at EleutherAI. Quentin participated in METR’s recent study on AI coding tools, which revealed that developers often slowed down when using AI—despite feeling more productive. He and Abi unpack the unexpected results of the study, which tasks AI tools actually help with, and how engineering teams can adopt them more effectively by focusing on

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39:06

CarGurus’ journey building a developer portal and...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/07/11

In this episode, Abi Noda talks with Frank Fodera, Director of Engineering for Developer Experience at CarGurus. Frank shares the story behind CarGurus’ transition from a monolithic architecture to microservices, and how that journey led to the creation of their internal developer portal, Showroom. He outlines the five pillars of the IDP, how it integrates with infrastructure, and why they chose to build rather than buy. The conversation also explores how CarGurus is approaching AI tool

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45:05

Snowflake’s playbook for operational excellence

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/06/20

In this episode, Abi Noda speaks with Gilad Turbahn, Head of Developer Productivity, and Amy Yuan, Director of Engineering at Snowflake, about how their team builds and sustains operational excellence. They break down the practices and principles that guide their work—from creating two-way communication channels to treating engineers as customers. The conversation explores how Snowflake fosters trust, uses feedback loops to shape priorities, and maintains alignment through thoughtful

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42:02

The biggest obstacles preventing GenAI adoption — and...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/06/06

In this episode, Abi Noda speaks with DX CTO Laura Tacho about the real obstacles holding back AI adoption in engineering teams. They discuss why technical challenges are rarely the blocker, and how fear, unclear expectations, and inflated hype can stall progress. Laura shares practical strategies for driving adoption, including how to model usage from the top down, build momentum through champions and training programs, and measure impact effectively—starting with establishing a baseline

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40:24

DORA’s latest research on AI impact

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/05/23

In this episode, Abi Noda speaks with Derek DeBellis, lead researcher at Google’s DORA team, about their latest report on generative AI’s impact on software productivity.They dive into how the survey was built, what it reveals about developer time and “flow,” and the surprising gap between individual and team outcomes. Derek also shares practical advice for leaders on measuring AI impact and aligning metrics with organizational goals.Where to find Derek DeBellis: • LinkedIn:

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43:26

Setting targets for developer productivity metrics

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/05/09

In this episode, Abi Noda is joined by Laura Tacho, CTO at DX, engineering leadership coach, and creator of the Core 4 framework. They explore how engineering organizations can avoid common pitfalls when adopting metrics frameworks like SPACE, DORA, and Core 4.Laura shares a practical guide to getting started with Core 4—beginning with controllable input metrics that teams can actually influence. The conversation touches on Goodhart’s Law, why focusing too much on output metrics can lead to

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29:10

The AI adoption playbook: Lessons from Microsoft's...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/04/18

Brian Houck from Microsoft returns to discuss effective strategies for driving AI adoption among software development teams. Brian shares his insights into why the immense hype around AI often serves as a barrier rather than a facilitator for adoption, citing skepticism and inflated expectations among developers. He highlights the most effective approaches, including leadership advocacy, structured training, and cultivating local champions within teams to demonstrate practical use

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38:40

Gene Kim on developer experience and AI engineering

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/04/04

In this episode, we’re joined by author and researcher Gene Kim for a wide-ranging conversation on the evolution of DevOps, developer experience, and the systems thinking behind organizational performance. Gene shares insights from his latest work on socio-technical systems, the role of developer platforms, and how AI is reshaping the shape of engineering teams. We also explore the coordination challenges facing modern organizations, the limits of tooling, and the deeper principles that

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32:58

Getting Airbnb’s Platform team to drive more impact:...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/03/07

In this episode, Airbnb Developer Productivity leader Anna Sulkina shares the story of how her team transformed itself and became more impactful within the organization. She starts by describing how the team previously operated, where teams were delivering but felt they needed more clarity and alignment across teams. Then, the conversation digs into the key changes they made, including reorganizing the team, clarifying team roles, defining strategy, and improving their measurement

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39:09

You have developer productivity metrics. Now what?

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/02/22

Many teams struggle to use developer productivity data effectively because they don’t know how to use it to decide what to do next. We know that data is here to help us improve, but how do you know where to look? And even then, what do you actually do to put the wheels of change in motion? Listen to this conversation with Abi Noda and Laura Tacho (CEO and CTO at DX) about data-driven management and how to take a structured, analytical approach to using data for improvement.Mentions and

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24:33

Leveraging sentiment data, driving org-wide action,...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/01/31

In this episode, David Betts, leader of Twilio’s developer platform team, shares how Twilio leverages developer sentiment data to drive platform engineering initiatives, optimize Kubernetes adoption, and demonstrate ROI for leadership. David details Twilio’s journey from traditional metrics to sentiment-driven insights, the innovative tools his teams have built to streamline CI/CD workflows, and the strategies they use to align platform investments with organizational goals.Mentions and

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31:56

Rethinking developer experience at T-Mobile: DevEx vs...

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/01/22

Chris Chandler is a Senior Member of the Technical Staff for Developer Productivity at T-Mobile. Chris has led several major initiatives to improve developer experience including their internal developer portal, Starter Kits (a patented developer platform that predates Backstage), and Workforce Transformation Bootcamps for onboarding developers faster.Mentions and links:Follow Chris on LinkedInMeasuring developer productivity with the DX Core 4Listen to Decoder with Nilay Patel.Discussion

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28:20

DX Core 4: 2024 benchmarks

Engineering Enablement by DX ·

2025/01/08

In this episode, Abi and Laura dive into the 2024 DX Core 4 benchmarks, sharing insights across data from 500+ companies. They discuss what these benchmarks mean for engineering leaders, how to interpret key metrics like the Developer Experience Index, and offer advice on how to best use benchmarking data in your organization. Mentions and Links:DX core 4 benchmarksMeasuring developer productivity with the DX Core 4Developer experience index (DXI)Will Larson’s article on the Core 4 and

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