That"s So Second Millennium

54:28

Popes 1D - Paul

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/09/30

St Paul I [brother: Stephen II] 757-767Paul II [Pietro Barbo] 1464-1471 Paul III [Alessandro Farnese] 1534-1549 Paul IV [Giovanni Caraffa] 1555-1559 Paul V [Camillo Borghese] 1605-1621 St Paul VI [Giovanni Montini] 1963-1978 St. Paul I: brother to Pope Stephen II and succeeded him--the sort of thing that could happen in the premodern era. This was the era of Pepin the Frank, where the Frankish kingdom had just become the papacy's welcome bulwark against the conquests of the Lombards and the

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47:30

Popes 1C - Sixtus

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/08/31

Changing the numbering system to be more suggestive of a bracket. Sixtus is the third one seed, if you will.Image: Sandro Botticelli, 1480, Pope Sixtus II Popes names Sixtus (originally Xystus): St Sixtus I 117 or 119 to 126 or 128 Martyr St Sixtus II 257 to 258 Famous martyr, in the Roman Canon St Sixtus III 432 to 440 Sixtus IV 1471 to 1484 Sistine Chapel named for him Sixtus V 1585 to 1590 Great reformer of the Papal States and Curia Sixtus or Xystus I: the earliest pope we have covered so

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19:20

TSSM Bonus - Gloriously Depressing Literature Edition

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/07/22

Paul followed through on his promise to read Fathers and Sons by Turgenev, Paradise Lost, and Crime and Punishment to discuss with a former student. Some gleanings from his particular corner of the asylum.

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7:06

Popes Bonus Episode - PB1

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/06/01

Life keeps happening.Pope Sixtus is the next name on the docket and I will get it out by July. Another fascinating history if not as long as Leo or Gregory. I have promised a former student to read along with her: Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky, Fathers and Sons by Turgenev, and Paradise Lost by you know who. So I will attempt to drop a few thoughts about that sometime over the course of June. Another topic: Pope Leo's first encyclical. After reading the first ten paragraphs, I am very struck

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14:55

Mystical Body of Christ - Bonus Episode

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/04/04

The talk I actually gave at the retreat...I ended up not even giving the Man of God talk.Artwork: The Ghent Altarpiece, 15th century

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16:10

Man of God - Bonus Episode

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/03/29

I would have liked to get an episode of the bracket out during the actual NCAA tournament, but I was asked to give two talks at a confirmation retreat, so I'm giving those to you as bonus episodes.Stay tuned later in April for an episode featuring the name Sixtus...only five of them but quite the history. --Paul Image credit for Christ, the Man of Sorrows: https://www.wga.hu/html/c/ceccarel/sorrows.html

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99:29

Popes Gregory - P3

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/03/16

SHOW NOTES FOR “A CALENDAR OF GREGORIES”The bracket is back! Paul’s application of March Madness oddsmaking to the name and fame of popes throughout history returns in this episode. Co-hosts Paul and Bill, after completing a tour of popes called Leo, now look at Pope Gregory, a popular name that appeared in sixteen iterations. This makes for an informative roller coaster ride through the past. This chain started out with a man actually born as Gregory. He chose to be Pope Gregory I and ruled in

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50:34

Popes Leo - P2

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2026/01/25

Leo - Episode P2Artwork: by Francesco Solimena - Web Gallery of Art: Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=15398079 This is hopefully a placeholder awaiting Bill's contribution. In this episode: Pope St. Leo I "The Great" 440-461 - of the Tome and the pacification of Attila the Hun Pope St. Leo II 682-3 Pope St. Leo III 795-816 - who crowned Charlemagne in 800 Pope St. Leo IV 847-853 Pope Leo V 903? Pope Leo VI 928-9 Pope Leo VII 936-9 Pope Leo VIII 964-5 Pope Leo IX

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47:47

Papal Names Bracket - P1

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2025/10/29

Dr. Paul Giesting and Bill Schmitt welcome listeners back for new episodes of our “legacy” podcast, “That’s So Second Millennium.” See below for biographies. Check out our archived episodes: That's So Second MillenniumHere’s a chronological list of popes. For context in this episode, start with Pope Leo XIII (#256) and look through the 20th century for Popes Pius X, XI, and XII. (Please forgive a couple of small historical and mathematical mistakes--at one point Paul says something amounting to

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01:02:04

Ep 147 - Daniel Shields on Nature and Nature’s God

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2023/06/30

Paul felt it was important to put Daniel's book title in the episode title, but Bill's suggested title is too good not to place somewhere:TSSM: NEW BOOK EXPLORES MEANING IN MOTION In this new episode of the “That’s So Second Millennium” podcast, your host Paul Giesting, assistant professor of mathematics and sciences at Wyoming Catholic College, interviews his faculty colleague, Dr. Daniel Shields, assistant professor of philosophy. Shields’s book, Nature and Nature’s God: A Philosophical and

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40:45

Ep 146 - TSSM Takes a Break

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/11/22

The co-hosts announce that the TSSM podcast, now posting our 146th episode, will begin a hiatus, but all programs and show notes will continue to be archived and accessible. This episode allows Dr. Paul Giesting and Bill Schmitt to look back on their four-and-a-half years of interviews and discussions seeking a greater synthesis of knowledge: an exploration of science and religion, philosophy and spirituality, neuroscience and quantum physics, policies and principles, history and the future, to

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01:11:57

Ep 145 - Faith Journeys That Make a World of...

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/10/18

Paul and Bill welcomed Paul Seungoh Chung to discuss how people can converse constructively about God despite their different backgrounds and different faith journeys. Dr. Chung, who has taught Christianity and science courses at the University of Toronto, is the author of God at the Crossroads of Worldviews: Toward a Different Debate about the Existence of God (University of Notre Dame Press, 2016). He also produces a podcast, “What Do You Mean God Speaks?”—a presentation of his ongoing research

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49:30

Ep 144 - Matthew & Chantal of 5th Place on Emotional...

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/09/23

This month's episode focuses on the psychology of emotions and the need to respect them. On the one hand we do not want to be controlled by negative emotions, but on the other, we cannot simply will them away. Further, we need positive emotions in order to live rich and loving lives; we cannot simply force our way forward forever. Not respecting our emotions leads them to hijack us in many ways. A notable example is compulsive behavior or obsessions. The extreme versions of these we call

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39:15

Ep 143 - Scott Gazzoli and Spirit over Show

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/08/30

For August Paul interviewed Scott Gazzoli of the Causing the Effect podcast. He's a wealth manager in Brooklyn who has been through a long and harsh spiritual journey. We touch on fitness and the psychology of achievement and spend the most time talking about the deceptiveness of material goals--money, sex, physical pleasure--how spiritually and psychologically they turn out to be deceptive and destructive. Be sure to check out: Scott: Causing the Effect Podcast, on YouTube, Twitter, and

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01:18:05

Ep 142 - Matt Swaim: Symbols and Substance, in Faith...

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/08/01

Matt Swaim is the co-host of the Son Rise Morning Show, heard Monday through Friday 6-8 am on hundreds of stations in the nationwide EWTN Catholic radio network. He is also the outreach manager for the Coming Home Network, an apostolate that helps non-Catholic Christians who desire to learn more about, and consider entrance into, the Catholic Church. He co-hosts a podcast, “On the Journey,” for that organization. Paul and Bill talked with Matt largely about the challenges in understanding, and

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55:03

Ep 141 - Louis Albarran and the Faith of Real People

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/06/30

Paul and Bill spoke with Louis Albarran, associate professor of theology at Holy Cross College in Notre Dame, IN. Albarran holds a master’s degree and a Ph.D. from the University of Dayton, and he specializes in the connection of religion, culture, and the physicality of devotional practices, with a focus on the Latino Catholic culture. Albarran spoke of the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe, as told by the Aztec people in their own language. The name of this narrative is Nican Mopohua. Albarran spoke

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04:25

Bonus - Society of Catholic Scientists 2022

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/06/06

Quick hit running down the SCS Conference for 2022 at Mundelein Seminary outside Chicago. The conference theme was the environment. Info on the conference SCS YouTube channel with videos of talks Link to the slides for Paul's talk on uranium and nuclear power

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01:01:53

Ep 140 - Chris Bell – Views from a Pro-Life Lifetime

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/06/01

Christopher Bell, president and executive director of Good Counsel Homes, is “on the frontline of the pro-life movement,” as The Catholic World Report wrote in a 2021 profile. Chris and TSSM co-host Bill Schmitt have been friends since their college years, when they were both studying journalism. Co-host Paul Giesting joined the two native Long Islanders for a discussion of Catholic values in the abortion debate shortly after the leak of a draft US Supreme Court decision which pointed toward a Court

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01:06:15

Ep 139 - Pondering Big Issues Powered by Uranium

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/05/01

In this episode, Paul and Bill situate themselves geographically, updating each other on their latest activities and changes in locale. Paul is on a medical mission to Billings, Montana, at the moment. Bill has moved from South Bend, where he was an adjunct professor at Holy Cross College, to Troy, NY, the hometown of his wife. Uranium mining is on Paul’s mind during his brief departure from Wyoming Catholic College in the small town of Lander. As a PhD geologist, Paul will make a presentation on

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36:15

Ep 138 - Darcia Narvaez, Insights About Humanity for...

That"s So Second Millennium ·

2022/03/28

Darcia Narvaez, who holds a Ph.D. in psychology from the University of Minnesota, is a prolific public intellectual who uses many tools of multimedia communication to do research and to address needs of everyday people. Her work enhances and taps deeply rooted wisdom about human nature so that it can be applied in everday tasks, such as parenting. She is a Professor of Psychology Emerita at the University of Notre Dame. Links to much of her work can be found at her personal website, as well as her

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