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There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com

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Ep. 164 Lisa Richards Toney – Part 1: The Arts Taught...

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2025/11/26

Ep. 164 Lisa Richards Toney – Part 1: The Arts Taught Me ThatThis week Josh shares part one of his conversation with Lisa Richards Toney; to warm up for that conversation our hosts share some of their favorite APAP memories. Lisa Richards Toney shares the journey of how the arts impacted her life and moments that led her to being the head of APAP. She shares the challenges of leading a national organization through a global pandemic, the need for innovation and change, and more. Lisa Richards Toney

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Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs....

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2025/11/19

Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs. Community EngagementOur Ideas from MAX series will feature conversations from our booth at the 2025 Midwest Arts Xpo and a roundtable discussion with the Pod Squad! This week we kick off with Gary Maynard’s answer to the questions “What are we not talking about enough in the industry?”: the differences between audience development and community engagement. Gary Minyard is the Chief Creative Officer at Dayton Live in Dayton, OH

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Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You...

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2025/11/12

Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less This week, our hosts start with a little game before Katie shares her conversation with Todd Wetzel. Todd is a fountain of knowledge and shares that knowledge with Katie, and our audience. Todd shares how he got his start in the arts, his philosophy on leadership, audience development, shifting presenting models, and so much more. Todd Wetzel is the Executive Director of Purdue Convocations at Purdue University

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Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for...

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2025/11/05

Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for GrantedOur hosts kick off this week talking about things they weren’t great at when they first started, and Bryan shares his conversation with Patrick Brogan. Patrick shares his role at ArtsQuest, an organization that grew from an 11-day music festival to a 10-acre arts and culture campus, the SteelStacks. Patrick shares his journey in the arts and his over 20 years with ArtsQuest, encouraging folks to take it in and enjoy it all. Patrick

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Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health...

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2025/10/29

Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health for the MindThis week the pod is bringing you something a little different. This week the pod goes fitness! Kevin shares his conversation with his personal trainer, Matt Smith, and talk about how health and wellness impacts your workflow. Matt also shares a beginner workout for use at home, in the gym, or on the road. Matt Smith is a personal trainer, massage therapist, and yoga instructor in Galesburg, Illinois.

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Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price Punchline

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2025/10/22

Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price PunchlineThis week The Pod Squad rounds up recent industry news including comments from the CEO of Live Nation and significant leadership changes in our industry. And Bryan throws back to MTV Unplugged.... Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

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Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary!

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2025/10/15

Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary! It’s a three-year celebration episode for the pod! Thank you all for joining us on this journey. If you are new here, you can find some “starter” playlists here: https://nobusinesslike.com/spotify-playlists Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

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Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!

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2025/10/08

Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!This week Katie gathers colleagues from the beautiful state of Arizona to discuss the vibe of the Arizona arts scene, collaboration, programming, and the state of arts funding in the 48th state. Bonnie Schock is the CEO of the Fox Tuscon Theatre in Tuscon, AZ (https://foxtucson.com/). Christina You-sun Park is the Executive Director of the Arizona Commission on the Arts (https://azarts.gov/). Michelle Mac Lennen is the General Manager of the Chandler

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Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway

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2025/10/01

Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway Josh had an opportunity to sit down with Broadway legend Norbert Leo Butz at the Midwest Arts Xpo, and we share that conversation here. Norbert shares how he got started in the industry and the stories behind some of the roles he is known best for. Our hosts do their best to play it cool and also share their first named role in a show. Norbert Leo Butz is a two time Tony Award-winning performer known for role in Rent, and originations roles in

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Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy

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2025/09/24

Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy This week Kevin sits down with Bill Stanczykiewicz from Indiana University’s Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. Bill shares incredible insights into philanthropy including what philanthropy is, what the data is telling us about giving, and breaks down the changes to the tax code. Bill Stanczykiewicz is the Senior Assistant Dean for External Relations, Clinical Associate Professor, and Director of the Fundraising School at the Lilly Family

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Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on Ticketing

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2025/09/17

Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on TicketingThis week our hosts Josh, Katie, Danielle, and Kevin are coming to you LIVE from the Expo Hall at Midwest Arts Expo 2025. Our four hosts discuss ticketing. They touch on On Sale and announce schedules, ticket pricing, third party ticketing, and dynamic pricing. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

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Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating...

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2025/09/10

Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the FieldThis week Bryan introduces us to Trish Santini and Frank Butler, co-founders of the new Empire Training Center for the Arts in Poughkeepsie, NY. We learn about Trish and Frank’s extensive and winding careers and what inspired them to create a vocational arts training center that provides accessible and practical technical and administrative training in an intensive 10-month model. Trish Santini and Frank Butler are

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Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons

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2025/09/03

Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons This week the team and guest Kiersten Birondo talk about a recent study examining Gen Z and Millennials’ perceived cost and value of attending theater, and how we can apply the findings to marketing and audience engagement efforts in venues across the country. You can read the Broadway News article and find the link to the study, “Unveiling the Value of Broadway: How Pulling Back the Curtain on the Broadway Experience Triples Its Value Among Next-Gen Theater

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Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?

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2025/08/27

Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?The team follows up on Josh’s recent Tuesday Talk with the Ohio Arts Professionals Network (OAPN) about the value of commercial programming - how it can serve your community, support other programming financially, and broaden our industry. You can check out Josh’s Tuesday Talk with OAPN (https://oapn.org/) at https://youtu.be/OiUieO-e_jI?feature=shared Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our

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Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines

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2025/08/20

Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot HeadlinesThis week Katie, Josh, and Bryan round up and discuss some the industry headlines from the week and the implications for the field. It’s not all bad, though! We do get to chat about a certain musician whose name rhymes with Taylor and everyone’s favorite 90s uncle. Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions -

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Ep. 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing

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2025/08/13

Ep 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ AmazingThis week the team learns about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and talk about big transitions leading into Katie’s conversation with Mary Jennings, the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet. Mary and Katie talk about how to build staff and organizational culture, the impact of resident companies on a community, budgeting and artist pay, and putting dancers on billboards. Mary Jennings is the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet,

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Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable

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2025/08/06

Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are InvaluableThe team is back from summer break and this week Danielle sits down with colleague Kara Hettinger, and they discuss more ways of building the future of our industry: innovations in reaching teen audiences and training and support for teaching artists. Kara is one of the founding collaborators of the Midwest Teaching Artist Coalition, which is building new ways of creating sustainable careers and connections for teaching artists. Kara Hettinger

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NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid...

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2025/07/30

NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams This week we wrap our July 20205 Rewind Series as we revisit one of Danielle’s favorite conversations from Season 2, Episode 65 with Wone Vang! Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-time employee, the Guaranteed Income Program she is managing for Springboard for the Arts, and the importance of pay equity. Our hosts talk about their

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NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People

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2025/07/23

NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from PeopleThis week Bryan ensures we feature our friends from the north as we rewind to Danielle’s Season 1 conversation with Canadian agent and Friend of the Pod, Tara Bailey! On this episode Danielle sits down with agent Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance

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NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time

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2025/07/16

NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time This week Kevin rewinds us all the way back to Episode 32 to revisit the lessons and great advice offered by Bob Bennett in May 2023. This is also one of Katie’s favorites! Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part of the industry outside of performance. Bob talks about how change and growth take time, vision, and a good team. Our hosts share their spirit/drink of

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