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The Hurdle Rate Podcast

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Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!

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59:08

Episode 41 - Structurally Bullish

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/12/23

Episode 41 - Structurally BullishThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:21] Reflections on 2025 [00:08:14] The Bitcoin Era [00:18:12] Amplification and the Power of Compounding [00:30:30] Do You Beat The Hurdle Rate of Bitcoin? [00:53:04] Tim’s Review of Bitcoin Treasuries Big Year

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45:58

Episode 40 - Set Up For A Supercycle

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/12/16

Episode 40 - Set Up For A SupercycleThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:08] The Latest on Bitcoin [00:10:18] A Decade-Long Supercycle? [00:19:47] OCC Greenlights Crypto Bank Charters [00:26:14] Valuations [00:34:48] Quantum Risks? [00:40:15] MSTR Staying in Nasdaq 100 [00:43:57] Final Thoughts

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40:55

Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is High

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/12/09

Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is HighThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Bitcoin MENA [00:22:53] Bitcoin As The Hurdle Rate [00:37:27] Closing Thoughts

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57:48

Episode 38 - The Incentives Are Aligned

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/12/02

Episode 38 - The Incentives Are AlignedThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] The Incentives Are Aligned [00:10:50] MSTR’s Green Dots & USD Reserve [00:46:16] STRC Dividend Rate Hike

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52:48

Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're At

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/11/25

Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're AtThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:50] Market Uncertainty & MSCI Exclusions [00:34:14] Mike Green Article and the K-Shaped Economy

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54:08

Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/11/18

Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit RevolutionThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Bitcoin Amsterdam & Cantor Conference Miami Recaps [00:19:24] Volatility in the Prefs [00:41:08] Underwriting Bitcoin [00:47:28] Hedging with Zcash?

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79:36

Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/11/10

Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital CreditThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] The IPOs of Digital Credit [00:12:41] The Process of Launching a Preferred Product [00:27:06] ASST & SATA Update

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51:16

Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/11/04

Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital CreditThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:34] Strive’s SATA Announcement [00:01:15] Strategy Introduces Stream [00:15:37] MSTR Q3 Earnings Call Recap [00:36:10] ROC Dividends [00:42:02] Additional Highlights from Strategy Earnings Report

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53:48

Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/10/28

Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital CapitalThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Strategy Gets a Credit Rating [00:12:43] How This Will Impact the Insurance Industry [00:21:50] Interest Coverage Ratio and Industry Credit Ratings [00:27:23] What Will It Take for Bitcoin Treasury Companies Credit Ratings to Go Higher? [00:44:08] Mike Alfred, Big Volumes, and What It All Means [00:51:18] US China Trade Deal and

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52:23

Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/10/22

Episode 32 - Strategic Risk TakingThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:34] Recapping Tim’s Latest Bitcoin Treasuries Digital Conference [00:13:34] Sentiment vs Conviction with Bitcoin Treasury Companies [00:25:17] Why do Bitcoin Treasury Companies Exist? [00:38:18] Strategic Risk Taking

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60:46

Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/10/14

Episode 31 - The Digital Credit LandscapeThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:00] Crypto Crash of October 11 [00:21:11] Launching a Treasury Company from Zero [00:43:44] Deep Dive on Private Credit

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47:24

Episode 30 - Focus on the Future

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/10/07

Episode 30 - Focus on the FutureThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:20] Ben Werkman Joins Strive as CIO [00:18:07] Tribalism and Doubt in Bitcoin [00:32:47] The Fastest Growing ETF of All Time [00:35:03] CAMT - Corporate Alternative Minimum Tax [00:41:52] Uptober Getting Revved Up

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52:22

Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/09/30

Episode 29 - Bitcoin SupercycleThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:24] Breaking News: Tim is All In and Dedicating His Life to Bitcoin [00:10:11] Bitcoin vs Other Store of Value Assets [00:21:41] Bitcoin Super Cycle? [00:26:30] Digital ID Rollout in the UK [00:41:00] Strategy Dividend Day

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50:01

Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/09/23

Episode 28 - The M&A Era has BegunThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:15] Strive Acquires Semler Scientific [00:19:39] The Impact of Meeting Bitcoiners in Person [00:26:40] Behind the Scenes of the Bitcoin Treasuries NYC Unconference with Tim [00:38:55] Operating with a Long Term View in Bitcoin

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52:31

Episode 27 - The Starting Line

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/09/16

Episode 27 - The Starting LineThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:32] Strive Announces Board of Directors [00:29:57] Rate Cut on Wednesday? [0036:57] Bitcoin Treasuries Unconference [00:46:51] Options on the Prefs

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42:30

Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early.

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/09/09

Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early.Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] No Strategy in the S&P 500 [00:14:20] Michael Saylor Reframes the World of Risk [00:37:11] The Landscape of Strategy’s ATMs [00:40:58] Pierre’s Closing Thoughts

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43:35

Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/09/03

Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:23] Recapping Bitcoin Asia [00:21:22] STRC Dividend Increases [00:34:13] Fed Independence and What Rates Should Do

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58:57

Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/08/26

Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity StakesThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:45] Meet The Hurdle Rate’s First Guest Host, Avik Roy [00:02:44] Strive’s Major News Announcement [00:08:40] The Fed Symposium in Jackson Hole [00:29:59] Intel & The US Government [00:56:33] Update on Tim’s Unconference

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55:52

Episode 23 - Noise in the Market

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/08/19

Episode 23 - Noise in the MarketThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Trading Below 1 mNAV? [00:27:41] Gold Revaluation [00:36:51] Bitcoin Treasury Executive Compensation [00:42:10] Preferred Liquidation Preference

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51:32

Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token

The Hurdle Rate Podcast ·

2025/08/13

Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, TokenThank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Bo Hines to the Private Sector [00:08:30] ETH Treasury Companies and Scale [00:31:57] Tim’s NYC Unconference [00:40:44] Strategy’s 5 Year Bitcoin Anniversary

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