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Rule of Life

Practicing the Way

How can I arrange my life to apprentice under Jesus? The Rule of Life podcast is designed to guide you in arranging your everyday life around being with and becoming like Jesus. Each season will cover one of nine ancient Practices from the Way of Jesus: Sabbath, Prayer, Fasting, Solitude, Scripture, Community, Simplicity, Generosity, and Hospitality. You’ll hear from pastors, thought leaders, and everyday apprentices of Jesus, all hosted by John Mark Comer and produced by Practicing the Way.Each

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Witness 04: Share the Good News (featuring Shaila...

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2026/03/17

What becomes possible when we embrace a patient yet courageous approach to sharing the good news of Jesus? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore how to share the gospel through your life and words, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Shaila Visser.In this episode’s luminary interview, John Mark and Shaila discuss a whole-life approach to sharing the gospel that is animated by key Kingdom

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67:43

Witness 03: Partner with the Holy Spirit (featuring...

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2026/03/10

What changes when we know that the Holy Spirit is already at work in the lives of those around us who don’t know Jesus? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they discuss the role of the Holy Spirit in our witness, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Pete Hughes. In this episode's luminary interview, John Mark and Pete explore the Spirit's relationship to the practice of witness through

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61:49

Witness 02: Practice Hospitality (featuring Drew Hyun)

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2026/03/03

What if our ordinary homes and tables were brimming with latent potential for gospel encounters? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the role hospitality plays in our witness, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Drew Hyun.In this episode's luminary interview, John Mark and Drew discuss how hospitality, as a form of witness, relies on us not only sharing the good news but also

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66:22

Witness 01: Begin With Love (featuring Ger Jones)

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2026/02/24

How can we move beyond duty and obligation, into a witness motivated by a deep love for the lost? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the core motivation for the practice of witness — featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Ger Jones.In this episode's luminary interview, John Mark and Ger explore how the cultural landscape in the West has evolved over the past few decades and how this

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67:21

Service 04: Where Does Service Lead? (featuring a...

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2025/10/28

What if service in the way of Jesus was meant to lead not first to life change or impact, but to relationship? Join Tyler Staton and Shelbi Shutt as they explore kinship as Jesus’ destination for a life of service, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with a roundtable including Charlee Tchividjian, Gabrielle Clowdus, and Sara Miller.In this episode’s roundtable, Tyler and this incredible group of female leaders explore

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52:31

Service 03: How Do I Serve? - Part 02 (Edwin Colon)

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2025/10/21

How can we cultivate an intentional and interruptible life of service in our everyday rhythms and routines? Join Tyler Staton and Shelbi Shutt as they explore this “Good Samaritan” way of being in the world, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with Pastor Edwin Colon. In this episode’s luminary interview, Tyler and Edwin Colon discuss seeing our schedules through what Edwin calls “Jesus’ time” and how that creates

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61:50

Service 02: How Do I Serve? - Part 01 (featuring...

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2025/10/14

How can service grow beyond projects and campaigns and into a lifestyle? Join Tyler Staton and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the primary environments and relationships where Jesus invites us to serve, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Jonathan Tremaine Thomas.In this episode’s luminary interview, Tyler and Jonathan Tremaine explore Jesus’ model and invitation to serve in the hidden and familiar places of

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68:40

Service 01: Why Do I Serve? (featuring Gary Haugen)

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2025/10/07

Love is the hallmark of Jesus’ followers, but what does it look like? Join Tyler Staton and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the topic of love — the core motivation of a life of service — featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Gary Haugen.In this episode’s luminary interview, Tyler and Gary discuss how loving the oppressed became a priority for Gary, and how a practice-based spirituality animates his mission to

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50:18

Community 04: What We Avoid in Community (featuring...

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2025/05/27

What kind of community do we desperately long for, and yet, what are we often unwilling to do to form it? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore five practices for cultivating community, featuring testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary David Kim. In this episode’s luminary interview, John Mark and David discuss the process of cultivating deep relationships and the practices we often avoid to form them. David is a pastor, speaker, and the author of

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61:21

Community 03: Overcoming Shame — The Ancient Enemy of...

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2025/05/20

What is the main culprit behind so much disconnection and damage in our relationships? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the universal experience of shame, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with shame expert Dr. Curt Thompson. In this episode’s luminary interview, John Mark and Dr. Thompson discuss the degrees of disconnection and damage caused by shame and how we can address this ancient enemy to

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54:52

Community 02: Family Systems and Life in Community...

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2025/05/13

Is Grandpa really in my bones? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the topic of Family Systems, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminaries Jay and Danielle Pathak.In this episode’s luminary interview, John Mark, Jay, and Danielle explore Family Systems Theory — how we carry our family dynamics into all our relationships and the impact that community can have in fostering our awareness and

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65:46

Community 01: Rediscovering Jesus’ Vision for Family...

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2025/05/06

How can we cultivate the deep relationships Jesus invites us toward in an age of isolation, transience, and superficiality? Join John Mark Comer and Shelbi Shutt as they explore the topic of kinship groups, featuring conversations with everyday people in the West, testimonials from real-life practitioners, and an interview with luminary Andy Crouch. In this episode’s luminary interview, John Mark and Andy explore the evolution of radically familial relationships in the Early Church community and the

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28:42

Scripture 04: Reading Scripture as a Spiritual...

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2025/02/25

John Mark and guests Dr. Tim Mackie, Dr. Brittany Kim, and Hakeem Bradley explore what it means to read Scripture as a spiritual discipline and why, as apprentices of Jesus, reading is ultimately about following him and becoming like him.Reading Scripture aloud in groups, a tradition rooted in early house churches, allowed for a shared, transformative encounter with Scripture — and it’s a practice we can rediscover today. Whether done privately or corporately, reading longer sections and reading

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55:58

Scripture 03: Unlocking the Wisdom of Scripture

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2025/02/18

John Mark and BibleProject’s Dr. Tim Mackie, Dr. Brittany Kim, and Hakeem Bradley discuss what it means to approach Scripture as “wisdom literature” and “meditation literature.”Wisdom literature encourages readers to internalize God’s values, making decisions that promote flourishing for themselves and others. Meditation literature invites readers to slow down, immerse themselves in Scripture, and allow its truths to permeate us to the extent that they transform how we interact with others.This

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42:33

Scripture 02: Scripture as a Cross-Cultural Experience

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2025/02/11

BibleProject’s Dr. Tim Mackie, Dr. Brittany Kim, and Hakeem Bradley continue a conversation with John Mark around BibleProject’s seven-part paradigm for understanding Scripture. Episode 02 addresses common struggles with interpreting ancient texts, such as reconciling difficult laws or cultural norms with modern values, and how to approach puzzling or morally complex passages with patience and respect for their historical and cultural settings. This episode also explores the messianic theme woven

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47:06

Scripture 01: Three Problematic Approaches to Scripture

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2025/02/04

In this first episode of the Scripture season of the Rule of Life podcast, John Mark is joined by BibleProject scholars Dr. Tim Mackie, Dr. Brittany Kim, and Hakeem Bradley for a conversation on the nature of Scripture and our relationship with it. Common traditional approaches to Scripture — such as the “reference book” approach, the “domesticated grab-bag” approach, and others — can limit our understanding and enjoyment of this complex library of texts. BibleProject is guided by a seven-part

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Generosity 06: Roundtable with John Cortines, Jimmy...

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2024/10/29

In this second roundtable on Generosity, John Mark is joined by John Cortines, co-author of God and Money; Jimmy Mellado, president of Compassion International; Sara Miller, founder of A House on Beekman and partner at Praxis Labs; and Christian Huang, president of Mobilize Love.This wide-ranging conversation explores nuanced issues around giving and generosity, including tithing, serving the poor regardless of proximity to need, “high-touch” versus “low-touch” involvement, and how to take simple

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Generosity 05: Roundtable with Reward Sibanda,...

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2024/10/22

John Mark leads the first of two roundtable conversations with leaders who have devoted a significant share of their lives to advancing generosity and giving.This episode features Reward Sibanda, senior advisor for church relations at World Vision International; Patrick Johnson, founder of Generous Church; and April Chapman, CEO of Generous Giving.Their conversation explores the reasons for our disordered relationship with money, misunderstandings around Matthew 5 and 6, and how vital it is to

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Generosity Testimonial 04: Josh & Abbi

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2024/09/19

Josh and Abbi learned early on in marriage to live on a meager income – just enough to cover essential needs, and not much else. Today they consider it a gift, because it taught them how little they really needed. When they did make enough for a small surplus and sensed the pull of materialism, they incorporated practices into their lives to maintain radical generosity. The result has been joy and contentment, both for themselves and for their children.This podcast accompanies the Generosity

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Generosity 04: Be Generous to the Poor

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2024/09/17

The early church was marked by extravagant generosity to the poor. Followers of Jesus formed socioeconomically diverse communities that cared for each other like family, something unheard of in the 1st century Greco-Roman world.All of this was in response to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, which repeatedly emphasize the call to care for those in need. John Mark Comer and Christian Dawson explore how followers of Jesus can walk in the footsteps of the early church by cultivating diverse,

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