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Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics

Moody"s Analytics

Join Chief Economist Mark Zandi, Marisa DiNatale and Cristian deRitis as they discuss key indicators and other aspects of the global economy. Contact us at insideeconomics@moodys.com. Visit online at www.economy.com/economicview

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00:42:34

The K-Shaped Economy with Heather Long

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/09/22

Heather Long, Chief Economist at Navy Federal Credit Union, joins the Inside Economics team to discuss what she dubbed the K-Shaped Economy. She describes the reasons why the well-to-do are thriving and the bottom 80% of the income distribution is struggling to make ends meet. The team discusses the origins of this skewing in the income distribution and why we should care about it. Explore the risks and realities shaping the economy in our new webinar, now streaming for free.U.S. Economic Outlook:

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00:35:01

Speaking From All Hands Day

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/09/17

The Inside Economics team gets together in person at All Hands Day. It is a short podcast, with more than the typical amount of chit-chat (as we are in person). But it is an action-packed conversation on the Fed’s rate decision (see if we got it right), our proposal to unlock the housing market, and, of course, the statistics game!Explore the risks and realities shaping the economy in our new webinar, now streaming for free: U.S. Economic Outlook: Under Unprecedented UncertaintyWatch here:

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01:12:29

CPI and AI with Capital Group's Jared Franz

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/09/12

Mark and Cris are joined by Matt Colyar to break down the latest CPI inflation report, while Jared Franz from the Capital Group explores how artificial intelligence is reshaping the American economy and labor market. We examine the opportunities and challenges of the AI revolution and what it means for workers, businesses, and investors in this rapidly changing economic landscape.Jared Franz is an economist at Capital Group, responsible for covering the United States. He has 19 years of investment

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00:47:39

A Jobs Recession

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/09/05

Dante joins the Inside Economics team to talk about the August employment report. After another set of weak numbers, Mark declares that the economy has entered a jobs recession. Cris and Marisa agree, but Dante would like to see more evidence. They also discuss how the lack of hiring is disproportionately impacting young workers. They wrap up by considering what it all means for the Fed, in light of a big jump in market expectations for more drastic rate cuts by the end of the year. Guest: Dante

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00:35:40

Nervous Economy, Nervous Economists

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/08/29

Mark, Cris, and Marisa talk about the increasingly shaky state of the economy after reviewing the week’s data. They preview next week’s jobs report and the likelihood of further downward revisions and negative payroll numbers. The trio then ponders some dark scenarios regarding Fed independence or lack thereof, and what that could mean for the growth and inflation outlooks. Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, and Marisa

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01:15:38

Cuts Confirmed to Crypto Caution

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/08/22

From Fed Chair Powell’s confirmation of coming interest rate cuts to digital wallets, this episode dives deep into the evolving world of digital currencies with guest Ananya Kumar from the Atlantic Council. Whether you're managing your portfolio like co-host Crypto Cris or just trying to keep up with changing technologies, we’ve got you covered.Guest: Ananya Kumar, Deputy Director of Future of Money, Atlantic CouncilHosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief

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01:19:35

Inflation Rundown

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/08/15

It was a week headlined by crucial inflation data. The Inside Economics crew is joined by colleague Matt Colyar to dig into July’s consumer price index. July’s CPI was unsurprising, but that doesn’t mean it was good. The group discusses why markets might have been too cheery about it and what they think inflation looks like in the coming months (see July’s producer price index). Finally, some loquacious responses to a handful of listener questions. Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s

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01:06:37

In Defense of the BLS

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/08/07

Former Bureau of Labor Statistics Commissioner Erica Groshen joins Mark, Cris, and Dante to cover a wide range of topics, including a somber discussion about the recent firing of the current BLS commissioner. Erica provides key insights into the role that BLS commissioners play in the day-to-day publication of economic data, as well as the longer-term challenges facing BLS and other federal statistical agencies. She also weighs in on the recent revisions to employment data that have garnered much

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01:04:26

On An Economic Tight Rope

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/08/01

The Inside Economics team turned lugubrious in this week’s episode. Given this week’s data dump showing that inflation is uncomfortably high and accelerating, and the job market and broader economy are struggling, it's hard not to be. They also consider what it all means for the Fed, which is in an increasingly difficult position, and prospects that the economy will fall off the narrow tight rope it is on, into recession. Guest: Dante DeAntonio, Senior Director of Economic Research, Moody's

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01:12:07

Running the Economic Gamut

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/07/25

The 2025 U.S. economy leaves no shortage of topics to explore. This week, the Inside Economics crew tries to touch them all. Mark and Cris, joined by Matt Colyar, discuss growing challenges to Fed independence, recent tariff agreements, financial market exuberance, and a U.S. housing market under significant stress. Finally, the team answers several listener questions and offers their latest recession probabilities and expectations for next week’s slew of important data. Read the full housing

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01:06:04

Cruise Controls or Smoke Signals

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/07/18

Automotive economists Jonathan Smoke (Cox Automotive) and Michael Brisson (Moody's Analytics) join Mark and Cris to discuss industry conditions, tariff impacts on production and pricing, and their divergent views on auto credit's future. Inside Economics producer, Sara Rodriguez, makes a special guest appearance to settle the podcast's ongoing chit-chat debate.Read more articles by Jonathan Smoke hereRelated Research on today's topic: Click here and hereGuests: Mike Brisson - director - Economic

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01:10:37

Housers on the Housing Shortage

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/07/16

Moody’s Analytics Mark Zandi and Cris deRitis are joined by Ira Goldstein from The Reinvestment Fund, Maggie McCullough from PolicyMap, and Jim Parrott from the Urban Institute to discuss their new study that takes a deep dive into understanding the nature of the decade-long housing shortfall. This housing crisis has driven up house prices and rents, and undermined housing affordability. But despite the heightened political attention on the problem, there remains confusion over its true scale and

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00:59:32

Austan Goolsbee Clears the Dirt

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/07/11

Chicago Federal Reserve President Austan Goolsbee joins Mark and Cris to talk about the economy and monetary policy. He explains that the up and down tariffs and other economic policies have thrown lots of dirt in the air, so to speak, complicating things for the Fed and thus delaying the normalization of interest rates. He also weighs in on the policy response to the financial crisis and the economic repercussions of artificial intelligence. And tune in to hear why he wants to be 80% Paul Volker

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01:06:08

Chit-Chatting About Jobs

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/07/03

Dante joins the Inside Economics crew for an unusual jobs Thursday podcast. The team discusses the disconnect between the positive headlines and market reaction to the June employment report and the weakening undercurrent in the labor market. They also debate whether higher inflation is still looming despite not showing up in the data yet. Marisa steals the show in the stats game with three figures that stump Mark, Cris, and Dante.Guest: Dante DeAntonio, Senior Director of Economic Research, Moody's

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01:00:13

Zelman on the Housing Zeitgeist

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/06/27

Mark, Marisa, and colleague Adam Kamins are joined by Ivy Zelman to discuss the housing market outlook. Ivy sheds light on a wide variety of topics, including disappointing demand, the persistent drag from mortgage rate lock, and a lack of listings, adding up to a bearish outlook for prices and sales. The group also touches on regional differences, why builders are pulling back, and the effect of policy changes around tariffs and immigration. Along the way, Marisa and Adam learn the answers to a few

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00:43:58

Cochrane on China, Chris on Crude

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/06/20

Colleagues Chris Lafakis and Steve Cochrane join Inside Economics to discuss how geopolitics is shaping the outlook and the risks to the U.S. and global economies. But first, the team reminisces about Steve’s 32 years as “employee 007” at the company and his upcoming retirement. Steve reveals his secrets for “managing up,” and Mark finds out he’s been managed all these years. The conversation then turns to U.S.-China relations and the risk of an oil price shock stemming from Israel’s attack on Iran

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00:50:58

Private Credit & Systemic Risk

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/06/18

Samim Ghamami, Senior Economist at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, joins Mark, Cris, and Marisa to explore the rapid rise of the private credit market. With global assets surpassing $2 trillion, Samim breaks down the systemic risks posed by this opaque yet fast-growing asset class. The discussion delves into private credit’s role in middle-market lending, private equity, and new markets like infrastructure and real estate, as well as its implications for financial stability and

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01:06:52

Stagflation(ish)

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/06/13

The specter of stagflation is on the rise. While the higher tariffs have yet to translate into higher prices, the Inside Economics team and their colleague, inflation-maven Matt Colyar, argue they soon will. And weaker growth isn’t too far behind – the team’s recession probabilities are increasing again. Mass immigrant deportations, and Israel’s bombing of Iran and the resulting spike in oil prices, also point to higher inflation and weaker growth. Just how serious a threat stagflation poses

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00:57:51

Reconciling Reconciliation

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/06/10

Sharon Parrott, President of CBPP joins the Inside Economics team to consider the big package of tax and government spending provisions making its way through the legislative process. She explains why she’s not a fan, from its implications for the nation’s already dire fiscal situation to its hit to programs benefitting lower-income Americans, such as Medicaid and food assistance.Guests: Sharon Parrot - President of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and Justin Begley - Economist and U.S

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00:51:24

Labor Market Yellow Flags

Moody"s Talks - Inside Economics ·

2025/06/07

Dante joins Mark and Marisa for a rare Cris-free Saturday morning podcast to discuss the May jobs report. Given the report's weakness, the team is equally baffled by the positive news headlines and surging stock market on Friday. The team dissects the large downward revisions to the payroll numbers in recent months and whether this signals a recession ahead. They also debate whether the low unemployment rate is giving a false signal about underlying weakness in the labor market. Guest: Dante

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