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Both Sides of the Aisle

Natalie Gochnour, Shireen Ghorbani, John Dougall

Both Sides of the Aisle is a weekly debate over politics, policy and current issues facing the state of Utah, featuring voices representing the Right, the Center, and the Left.Representing Right is State Auditor John Dougall (R), on the Left is former Salt Lake County Councilwoman Shireen Ghorbani (D), and speaking for the “common sense middle” is Natalie Gochnour, an associate dean in the David Eccles School of Business and director of the Kem C. Gardner Policy Institute at the University of Utah

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25:22

Naval blockades, Pope Leo, and Utah congressional races

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/04/16

Our hosts discuss the U.S. Navy beginning patrols in the Strait of Hormuz, President Trump's online fight with Pope Leo XIV, and updates from Utah's congressional campaigns.

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25:50

Iran ceasefire, 25th Amendment, and the next US...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/04/09

Our hosts discuss the fragile U.S.-Iran ceasefire, calls for invoking the 25th Amendment, and whether Sen. Mike Lee will be picked as U.S. attorney general.

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25:14

Vote by mail, Iran war address, and the U.S. Forest...

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2026/04/02

Our hosts discuss the Supreme Court hearing oral argument on birthright citizenship, President Trump's Iran war address to the nation, and the judge halting Trump's White House ballroom construction.

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25:42

Global price hikes, Utah voter data, and the future...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/03/26

Our hosts discuss how war in the Middle East is driving up fuel and fertilizer prices, airport delays across the country, and the withdrawal of signatures from the Prop 4 repeal effort.

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25:43

The Strait of Hormuz, the SAVE Act, and ICE in SLC

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/03/19

Our hosts discuss Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz, the SAVE Act in the Senate, and ICE's purchase of a warehouse in Salt Lake City.

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25:23

War with Iran and the end of Utah's 2026 legislative...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/03/12

Our hosts discuss the escalating war in the Middle East, its political impact in the U.S., and what bills the Utah Legislature passed in the 2026 general session.

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25:44

Utah State Auditor Tina Cannon

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/03/06

Shireen and John sit down with Utah's first female state auditor to discuss her political principles, the work of the auditor's office, and how to increase transparency in local and state government.

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25:40

Iran, Board of Peace, tariff ruling, and Prop 4...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/02/26

Our hosts discuss the U.S.-Iran nuclear talks, the increase in U.S. forces around Iran, President Trump's Board of Peace, and the Supreme Court's ruling on Trump's tariff powers.

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25:50

Utah's 2027 budget recommendations with Sophia DiCaro

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/02/19

Shireen Ghorbani sits down with Sophia DiCaro to discuss the governor's proposals for Utah's 2027 budget.

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25:51

Winter Olympics, Super Bowl halftime, and Utah...

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2026/02/12

Our hosts discuss the Olympics, the Super Bowl, the University of Utah’s new $4.5 million statue, data centers, and the expansion of the Utah Supreme Court.

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25:53

Steve Waldrip, senior advisor for housing strategy...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/02/06

Natalie and Shireen sit down with the senior advisor on housing for Gov. Cox to discuss how the state hopes to house more Utahns.

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25:41

Erosion of global institutions, DHS, and the State of...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/01/30

Our hosts discuss the fraying of world order, problems with the Department of Homeland Security, and whether U.S. citizens' rights are still unalienable after 250 years.

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25:40

President Trump's first year and the 2026 Utah...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/01/23

Our hosts discuss their biggest surprises in the first year since Trump's inauguration, Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister, and the start of the Utah legislative session.

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25:53

Trump's foreign policy and the fatal Minnesota ICE...

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/01/15

Our hosts discuss President Trump's agenda in Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela, and the circumstances that led to an ICE agent killing a Minnesota woman.

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25:22

Venezuela, the 'Donroe Doctrine,' and the new year ahead

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/01/08

Our hosts discuss the U.S. removal of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and what this means for the future of both countries.

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25:50

Utah Governor Gary Herbert

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2026/01/02

Shireen and Natalie chat with the former Utah governor about his life, lessons from his time in politics, and why he believes Utah is an example for the nation.

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25:20

Utah's top challenges and opportunities

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2025/12/25

Our hosts discuss the most significant challenges and opportunities facing the state of Utah at the close of 2025.

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25:53

Utah Reps. Tyler Clancy and Grant Miller

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2025/12/18

Shireen Ghorbani is joined by Utah Reps. Tyler Clancy and Grant Miller for an in-depth discussion of the contributors and potential solutions to homelessness.

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25:53

Utah Rep. Doug Owens

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2025/12/11

Shireen and Natalie talk to Utah Rep. Doug Owens about bipartisan congressional representation, the cascading benefits of Utah's public lands, and the necessary steps to save the Great Salt Lake.

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25:50

Trump administration controversies, future U.S....

Both Sides of the Aisle ·

2025/12/04

Our hosts discuss recent controversial actions taken by the Trump administration, how current members of Congress will adapt to the new Utah maps, and the new Utah branding of the 2034 Olympic Games.

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