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2 Chiefs 1 Mic

🎙️ Welcome to Two Chiefs, One Mic 🎙️ Real talk. No filters. Straight from the top seat. Hosted by Chief Scott Hughes and Chief Mike Hawkins, Two Chiefs, One Mic is the podcast where law enforcement leadership gets honest. We dive into the challenges, lessons, and moments no one tells you about when you"re handed the chief"s badge. Whether you"re a current police chief, climbing the ranks, or just passionate about the profession, this is your inside look at what it really means to lead in modern

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00:27:48

Chief Shaw | Financial Wellness

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2026/04/06

🚨 On the latest episode of the 𝑻𝒘𝒐 𝑪𝒉𝒊𝒆𝒇𝒔, 𝑶𝒏𝒆 𝑴𝒊𝒄 𝑷𝒐𝒅𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕, we talked to Chief Michael Shaw from Webster, Massachusetts Police Department, and he brings a perspective you don’t hear nearly enough in this profession:👉 What if one of the biggest factors impacting recruitment, retention, AND performance… is 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬?💡 In this episode, we dive into:▪️ The real impact of financial stress on officer decision-making and well-being▪️ How financial education

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00:29:17

Chief Noeller (Pueblo, Colorado)

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2026/03/30

In this episode, Chief Chris Noeller shares insights from his 33-year law enforcement career, focusing on innovative wellness programs, community engagement, and strategies to reduce violent crime. Discover practical approaches to leadership, officer health, and community safety from a seasoned police chief.

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01:19:52

Parkland Florida School Shooting

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2026/02/23

Parkland, Florida. One of the deadliest school shootings in American history.Chief Mike Hawkins and I sat down with Zack Scott and Richard Sessions to discuss the tragedy at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.This episode is about capturing the truth of what happened. Beyond headlines, hindsight, and sound bites.We talk candidly about chaotic scenes, communication breakdowns, leadership accountability, and the lasting mental toll these incidents take on responders. Most importantly, we focus on

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00:38:54

Chief Jeremy Story

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2026/02/07

Chief Mike Hawkins and Chief Scott Hughes sit down with Jeremy Story, Chief of the Las Cruces Police Department, for a real, candid conversation about leadership, growth, and the realities of modern policing.In this episode, we talk about:✅ Jeremy’s path into law enforcement and his transition into the chief’s role✅ The early challenges every new chief faces (and what he learned the hard way)✅ Why progressive leadership, transparency, and advocacy matter now more than ever✅ Community engagement and

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00:48:58

The Kyle Dinkheller Story

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2026/01/24

In this episode of the Two Chiefs One Mic podcast, Chief Mike Hawkins and Scott Hughes welcome Kirk Dinkheller, father of fallen officer Kyle Dinkheller, who was tragically killed during a traffic stop in 1998. Kirk shares the story of his son, the events leading up to the incident, and the impact it has had on law enforcement training and culture. The conversation delves into the court proceedings following Kyle's death, the emotional toll on Kirk and the community, and the importance of

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00:43:12

Vehicle Dynamics & Training

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/12/17

In this episode of the Two Chiefs One Mic Podcast, hosts Mike Hawkins and Scott Hughes welcome Chief Jay Gerace of the Colonie, New York, Police Department to discuss innovative training methods to improve officer safety during traffic stops. The conversation highlights the importance of practical training, the need for policy changes, and the impact of real-life scenarios on officer behavior. Chief Gerace shares insights into his department's training programs, emphasizing the need to adapt

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00:40:18

Episode 18 | Pete Havel

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/11/27

Title: Fireproofing Your Workplace: Insights from Pete Havel on Combating Toxic Employees Introduction: In today's fast-paced work environment, toxic employees can wreak havoc on organizations, draining morale and hindering productivity. In a recent episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, host Scott Hughes converses with Pete Havel, author of "The Arsonist in the Office," who shares invaluable insights on identifying and dealing with these workplace arsonists. This blog post will

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00:44:15

Dr. Leah Kaylor

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/11/18

Introduction: In a world where hustle often overshadows health, the importance of sleep is frequently overlooked. In a recent episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, hosts Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins engage in a thought-provoking discussion with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a licensed clinical psychologist for the FBI and author of the enlightening book "If Sleep Were a Drug." This conversation sheds light on the profound impact of sleep on wellness, particularly in high-stress professions

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00:39:08

Jessica Flores

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/11/13

In this episode, Jessica Flores shares her journey from law enforcement to wellness advocacy, discussing the challenges faced by officers, the importance of mental health, and the need for supportive communities. She emphasizes the significance of identity beyond the badge and the impact of leadership on officer well-being. Jessica also highlights her initiatives to create spaces for officers to share their stories and support one another, ultimately aiming to foster a healthier police culture.

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00:19:56

One Hour Rule

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/10/18

In this episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, Scott Hughes and Jim Cook discuss the importance of a tech-free morning routine for public safety leaders. Jim shares his experiences as the Assistant Chief of Police for the Amtrak Police Department and how adopting the 'One Hour Rule' has transformed his leadership style and personal wellness. They explore the psychological effects of technology on decision-making, the benefits of exercise, and the importance of creating a positive work

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00:37:41

Vulnerable Population Registery

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/08/29

In this episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, hosts Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins sit down with Chief Jay Gerace to discuss innovative approaches to community policing, with a particular focus on serving vulnerable populations. Chief Gerace shares insights on how his department utilizes GIS technology to provide officers with critical information about individuals in crisis, enhancing officer safety and community trust. The conversation highlights real-life applications of these strategies,

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00:50:11

Community Engagement Strategies with Deputy Chief...

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/08/21

In this episode, Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins welcome Deputy Chief Andrew Starzec from the Brownstown Police Department to discuss innovative community engagement strategies. They explore various initiatives, including the Lucas Foundation, programs for autism awareness, and the Faith in Blue initiative. Andrew shares insights on building relationships with diverse communities, tracking success in community engagement, and the importance of trust in law enforcement. The conversation highlights

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00:26:48

Lorain Ohio Police Officers Ambushed

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/07/25

Thanks to Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio President Jay McDonald for sitting down with us to talk about the recent ambush attack on officers in Lorain, Ohio.Jay brought insight, honesty, and passion as we discussed:🔹 The increasing violence targeting law enforcement🔹 How political rhetoric impacts officer morale and safety🔹 Why initiatives like 𝙋𝒓𝙤𝒕𝙚𝒄𝙩 𝙊𝒉𝙞𝒐 𝑷𝙤𝒍𝙞𝒄𝙚 matter

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00:38:12

FBINAA Conference

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/07/17

In this episode, Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins discuss the upcoming 61st National Annual Training Conference for the FBI with guests Larry Zimmerman and Ed O'Carroll. They share insights on what to expect for first-time attendees, the importance of networking, and the various activities planned for the conference. The conversation highlights the significance of the National Academy as a family reunion for law enforcement professionals and the value of building connections within the

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00:31:57

DOD: Skillbridge Program

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/07/02

In this episode of the Two Chiefs, One Mic podcast, Chief Scott Hughes and Chief Mike Hawkins discuss the DOD SkillBridge program with expert Mike Forehand. The conversation explores how this program supports military members in transitioning to law enforcement careers, the application process for agencies, and the benefits of engaging military candidates. They explore the training and development opportunities provided during the SkillBridge internship, discuss the cost implications for agencies,

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00:43:59

The Lucas Foundation

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/06/27

In this emotional and timely episode, we share the powerful story of Lucas Henry Sizemore, a young Atlanta police officer who died by suicide in January 2024.We’re joined by Lucas’s father, Brian Sizemore, who has turned heartbreak into purpose with the creation of the L.U.C.A.S. Foundation—Law Enforcement’s United Crusade Against Suicide. Together, we discuss the silent crisis in law enforcement: officer suicide, mental health stigma, and the dire need for support.💬 We cover:🔹 Lucas’s story and

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00:44:09

Navigating Law Enforcement Challenges

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/06/12

In this episode of 'Two Chiefs, One Mike', Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins discuss various pressing issues in law enforcement, including insights from the FBI National Partner Conference, recent tragedies affecting law enforcement officers, the challenges of use-of-force training, and the importance of mental health and wellness for police personnel. They also explore the effectiveness of different training methods, the impact of funding cuts on police training, and the ongoing challenges

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00:55:10

Episode Seven | The Lisa Budny Story

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/05/23

SummaryIn this episode of Two Chiefs, One Mic, hosts Scott Hughes and Michael Hawkins welcome Lisa Budny, who shares her heartbreaking story of loss after her husband, Mike Budny, a Cleveland police officer, took his own life following a battle with Parkinson's disease and depression. Lisa discusses the challenges they faced, the stigma surrounding mental health in law enforcement, and the importance of support and understanding for first responders. Through her story, Lisa aims to raise

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00:28:53

National Police Week

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/05/14

In this episode, we dive into the meaning of Police Week—a time to honor those we've lost, reflect on the brotherhood that binds us, and recognize the ongoing challenges faced by today’s law enforcement.Chief Scott Hughes and Chief Mike Hawkins share personal stories and discuss:🔹 The emotional weight of recent tragedies🔹 Community support and public perception🔹 The reality of media narratives🔹 Why training and preparedness still matter🔹 The growing need for modern, functional police

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00:38:25

Episode Five | Professionalism, Appearance, and more!

2 Chiefs 1 Mic ·

2025/04/30

In this episode of 'Two Chiefs One Mic', hosts Scott Hughes and Mike Hawkins discuss the importance of professionalism and appearance in law enforcement, the challenges of changing police culture, and the ongoing accreditation process. They share insights on uniform policies, training practices, and the evolving standards for officer appearance, including beard and hair regulations. The conversation highlights the significance of leadership in fostering a professional image and the

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