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BOSS Business of Surgery Series

Amy Vertrees, MD

Welcome to BOSS Business of Surgery Series! This program was specifically designed to help surgeons learn concepts not taught in residency but necessary for a successful surgery career. We were not told that most of our job would be interacting with others. We thought it was about the technical success of surgery or the knowledge that we learn. But it is so much more. Difficult partners and colleagues. Dealing with complications. Negotiating with administration. Running a successful

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Ep. 213 When your job isn't taking you seriously with...

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2026/01/05

Episode DescriptionHow do you know when it’s time to leave a job—and how do you trust yourself enough to do it? In this episode of the BOSS Business of Surgery Series, host Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with longtime friend and colleague Dr. Sujata Gill for a candid, deeply honest conversation about career fit, power, gender dynamics, and navigating a difficult transition in surgery. Dr. Gill shares her journey from an initially rewarding community hospital role to a position that gradually

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Ep 212 In Pursuit: Fulfillment Beyond Achievement...

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2025/12/29

Episode DescriptionWhat if the next goal isn’t the answer? In this episode of the BOSS Business of Surgery Series, host Dr. Amy Vertrees speaks with Jessica Smarro, licensed therapist, certified life coach, and author of In Pursuit: Go After What You Want, Alive, Aligned, and Fully You. Jessica shares her journey from nearly 15 years working in jail diversion programs to helping high achievers “free themselves from the prison of an unmanaged mind.” Together, Amy and Jessica explore why so

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Ep 211 Thriving in retirement (and other transitions)...

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2025/12/22

Episode Description What happens when the career that once defined you no longer fits—or ends entirely? In this episode of the BOSS Business of Surgery Series, host Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with Elizabeth Parsons, former Wall Street lawyer and author of Encore: A High Achiever’s Guide to Thriving in Retirement. Elizabeth shares her deeply personal journey of leaving a prestigious legal career at age 35, only to discover that financial security alone was not enough to replace the identity,

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Ep 210 Ownership, burnout and belonging with Dr....

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2025/12/15

Episode DescriptionWhat if the peak of your career isn’t when you’re most celebrated—but when you no longer need to be? In this powerful and deeply reflective episode of the BOSS Business of Surgery Series, Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with surgical oncologist and former military surgeon Dr. Matthew Hueman to explore belonging, burnout, identity, and the quiet work of finding peace in a demanding profession. Dr. Hueman shares his journey from growing up in a military family and training at

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Ep 209 The economics of rural surgery with Dr. Randy...

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2025/12/08

The Real Economics of Rural Surgery with Dr. Randy LehmanIn this episode of the BOSS Business of Surgery Series, host Dr. Amy Vertreessits down with rural surgeon Dr. Randy Lehman for a wide-ranging conversation about rural surgery, financial freedom, and the future of surgical practice. Dr. Lehman shares his unconventional journey, from growing up on a farm in northwest Indiana to becoming a national advocate for rural surgery—complete with a helicopter commute between

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Ep 208 How other people can expand your emotional...

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2025/12/01

Summary This episode of the Boss Business of Surgery Series (episode 208) continues the discussion on expanding emotional capacity, specifically focusing on how other people can help surgeons expand their emotional capacity. The host discusses how surgeons traditionally focus on improving skills and knowledge throughout their careers, but emotional capacity is equally important yet often overlooked. The host explains that emotional capacity refers to one's ability to handle the emotional

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Ep 207 Emotional capacity is the key to success (or...

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2025/11/17

In this episode, Dr. Amy Vertrees—general surgeon, coach, and founder of the Boss Surgeons coaching community—dives into one of the most overlooked competencies in surgical training: emotional capacity.Surgeons are taught how to operate under pressure, handle emergencies, and constantly pursue excellence. But very few are ever taught how to feel the intense emotions that come with the job, let alone process and recover from them. As a result, emotional capacity—rather than building over

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Ep 206 You Can’t Operate Your Way Out of Burnout

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2025/11/10

🔍 Episode SummaryIn this episode, Dr. AmyVertreesexplores one of the most pervasive and dangerous habits in surgery: overworking. Surgeons are trained for excellence and rewarded for endurance, but this mindset can quietly erode health, relationships, and even clinical effectiveness. Dr.Vertrees shares her personal journey of learning to set boundaries after years of believing that saying “yes” was part of being a good surgeon. Through honest reflection and practical insight, she uncovers

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Ep. 205 Moral Courage in Medicine with Dr. Jessica Bunin

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2025/11/03

Moral Courage in Medicine — Leading with Integrity at Every LevelGuest: Dr. Jessica Bunin Host: Dr. Amy Vertrees, The BOSS Business of Surgery Series Podcast 💡 Episode Summary In this episode, host Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with Dr. Jessica Bunin, a West Point graduate, psychiatrist turned critical care physician, and co-founder of All Levels Leadership. With over two decades of military service, Dr. Bunin brings a deep understanding of leadership, followership, and moral courage to the

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Ep. 204 [MVP] When the wrong job is hurting you with...

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2025/10/27

Summary This podcast episode from the Boss Surgery Series features Dr. Amy Vertries interviewing Dr. Sarah Rasmussen, a pediatric transplant surgeon, about her experience of being in the wrong job and navigating a career transition. Dr. Rasmussen shares her journey from working at the University of Virginia (UVA) to Seattle Children's Hospital and then to a new position that better aligned with her career goals and values. Dr. Rasmussen begins by describing her background as a Gen-Xer born

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Ep 203 [MVP] Leaving a toxic job with Dr. Jennifer...

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2025/10/21

Summary This episode of the Boss podcast features Dr. Jennifer Whittington sharing her experience with toxic work environments and how she navigated leaving such situations. The host, Dr. Amy Vertries, introduces the podcast as focusing on lessons not taught in residency for surgeons. Dr. Whittington discusses her first job search after residency, where she was geographically limited due to custody arrangements for her daughter. She admits she made a critical mistake by not hiring a

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Ep 202 [MVP] The benefits of ACS membership with Dr....

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2025/10/06

Summary This meeting record transcript is a conversation between a host and Dr. Michael Sutherland, the membership director of the American College of Surgeons (ACS). The discussion covers various aspects of the ACS, including its mission, membership benefits, educational resources, advocacy efforts, international outreach programs, and the annual Clinical Congress event. Dr. Sutherland shares his personal journey of getting involved with the ACS as a resident and highlights the

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Ep 201 [MVP] Getting the most out of conferences...

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2025/10/03

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Ep 200 When a layoff takes away your title but not...

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2025/09/29

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[Limited time] A better job starts on Sunday

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2025/09/24

In this episode, Amanda Hill, JD joinsAmyto talk about whythey relaunched the 90 Day Notice program—and why it’s more important than ever. Drawing from real stories of doctors facing workplace struggles,theyhighlight the common scenarios physicians are navigating: complications clustered together, staff complaints escalating into formal reviews, sudden RVU changes, and the fear of being “pushed out” without warning.Amy shares her perspective as a surgeon and coach, while Amanda brings

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Ep 199 Operative Gap to Chief of Surgery with Dr....

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2025/09/22

In this episode of the Boss Business of Surgery Series, Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with Dr. Courtney McKeown, who shares her remarkable journey from navigating an operative gap to becoming chief of surgery at a rural hospital. Dr. McKeown opens up about the challenges she faced after being laid off from her first job, her prior recovery from substance use disorder, and the difficulties of securing a new position with a gap in her surgical practice. Together, Dr. Vertrees and Dr. McKeown

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Ep. 198 Thriving despite having complications- New...

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2025/09/15

SummaryThe meeting was day three of a launch week focused on complications in surgery, presented by a surgeon who is also an author, podcast host, and certified coach. The presenter emphasized that complications are inevitable in surgical practice and provided guidance on how to manage them effectively. The presenter began by outlining the main topics to be covered: understanding what a complication is, perfectionist thinking, asking for help, the prolonged stress cycle, self-compassion,

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Ep 197 Medical office mastery: office manager...

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2025/09/02

n this episode, Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with her longtime office manager, Carrie Glass, to unpack one of the most overlooked yet critical dynamics in a physician’s career: the relationship between doctor and office manager.With decades of experience running medical offices, Carrie shares insider knowledge that every new attending needs to hear—from credentialing pitfalls and the revenue cycle to handling disruptive patients, managing staff, and mastering delegation. Together, Dr

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Ep 196 Successfully launching residents into new jobs...

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2025/08/25

How do surgery residents find their first job—and keep it? In this episode, Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with Dr. Sharon Stein, a colorectal surgeon turned professional development coach, to talk about her new program designed to help residents land jobs that truly fit their goals and values.Dr. Stein shares eye-opening statistics: 15% of surgeons leave their first job within 2 years. 50% leave within 5 years. The problem? Training programs teach standardized skills but don’t help

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Ep 195 Trusting yourself: Dr. Yemi Lamikanra talks...

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2025/08/18

What happens when a “good job” no longer feels good enough?In this episode of the BOSS Business of Surgery Series Podcast, Dr. Amy Vertrees sits down with Dr. Yemi Lamikanra, orthopedic hand surgeon and founder of Cura Hand Surgery and Orthopedics in Atlanta, to discuss her bold decision to leave a large multi-specialty group and start her own solo practice. Dr. Lamikanra opens up about the pivotal moments that led her to seek change, including the pressures of balancing motherhood with

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